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PORN-AGAIN STAR (actor Stephen Baldwin, born-again Christian, acts against nabe sex shop)
NY POST ^ | 1/18/06 | BILL HOFFMANN and HASANI GITTENS

Posted on 01/18/2006 8:08:47 AM PST by Liz

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To: elmer fudd

You seemed to excoriate alcohol addicts, but you do not seem willing to do the same to sex addicts.


341 posted on 01/18/2006 8:03:53 PM PST by what's up
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To: elmer fudd
I don't consider sex to be degrading.

I didn't either. Porn is.

342 posted on 01/18/2006 8:04:42 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: what's up

"Why should they if they are doing nothing wrong?"


You asked me why I don't want them in my neighborhood. I gave you my answer. I haven't stated they are doing anything right or wrong. What is your point?


343 posted on 01/18/2006 8:06:08 PM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: RTINSC

You are evading the point. Why shouldn't they be in your neighborhood if they are doing nothing wrong? Simple question.


344 posted on 01/18/2006 8:07:55 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up; RTINSC
You are evading the point.

Good luck with that and good night. lol

345 posted on 01/18/2006 8:09:43 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

"At least I HAVE a moral barometer."


My experience has been that when posters, especially anonyomous posters on anonymous posting boards, claim they have something, the opposite is generally true. A little red flag goes up when I read your posts.


346 posted on 01/18/2006 8:11:39 PM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Good night and BTW I can see a very good moral barometer.


347 posted on 01/18/2006 8:14:25 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

Perhaps you missed my answer to your question. So, I will repeat it. (Post 328)


I don't want them in my neighborhood because it is a business that should be away from children. There are many families with children where I live. IMO it also diminishes the property value of surrounding areas. As long as it is a legal business and operated legally, I have no problem with them.


348 posted on 01/18/2006 8:15:01 PM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: RTINSC
"should be away from children"

Again, WHY if they are doing nothing wrong?

349 posted on 01/18/2006 8:16:02 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

Because it is an adult only business. Perhaps you want me to say "because people who go to adult stores are pedophiles or some other nonsense". You'll just have to accept my answers. Sorry to disappoint you.


350 posted on 01/18/2006 8:24:21 PM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: RTINSC
"Because it is an adult only business"

But kids aren't allowed in them anyway. So why do you not want kids to even see them? Something wrong with them?

No, of course I wasn't expecting you to mention pedophiles...that would be the opposite of your defense of porn shops on this thread.

351 posted on 01/18/2006 8:28:23 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
Good night and BTW I can see a very good moral barometer.

Thank you. 'Night. :)

352 posted on 01/18/2006 8:50:34 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: what's up


"that would be the opposite of your defense of porn shops on this thread."


Perhaps you have reading comprehension problems or you would see from my posts that I am not defending porn shops in my comments.

I am against people like Baldwin who think it is appropriate to photograph people who enter a legal business and then proceed to publish their photos publicly with the implication these people are immoral or of bad character. This is obviously his intent. This is wrong in my opinion. This has nothing to do whether I like or dislike adult stores or whether I think their patrons are moral or immoral. I have not made any statements defending porn stores.

If you can only make wild statements, you will add nothing to the topic.


353 posted on 01/18/2006 8:58:59 PM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: RTINSC
I see that you've spent many hours on this thread today and nowhere do I see you saying anywhere anything about the immorality of porn users...only attacks on Baldwin.

Porn causes degeneracy and a multitude of family problems. It contributes vastly to men's inability to relate to women in a healthy way. Perhaps you are a user yourself and that is why you have not spoken of the immorality of such...I don't know. If so I urge you to stop...it will do neither you or any family you might have any good.

I will not spend hours with you and listen to you attack a man who is trying to do something about immorality in his neighborhood. I don't know if he will be sued or not. I'm not a legal expert and I don't gather that you are either.

If he risks being sued, perhaps he feels it is worth it to try to stem immorality in his neighborhood. I'm not one to place bets on whether a lawsuit might or might not happen. That seems an empty exercise. All I know is I'm glad Baldwin has the guts to try to stop porn in some fashion when most people see there is such an epidemic of it. I don't care if he takes pictures of the customers going in and out of the porn shop. I really don't feel sympathy for them. I feel sympathy for the families who are broken up by sexual deviancy.

So you might continue to attack Baldwin and think he is in the wrong if you must. However, I think you might also say a few negative words about the epidemic of sexual deviancy and despair which porn shops help to propogate. Good night.

354 posted on 01/18/2006 9:39:17 PM PST by what's up
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To: Guenevere
Think about it.


I have, and I'm with you!


This is somebody doing a decent thing and the last place I'd ever think he would get any resistance is here on F.R.


I would not want one of those things close to my neighborhood as nothing brings down the value of homes faster!
355 posted on 01/18/2006 9:48:16 PM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: what's up

You make a lot of assumptions in your post.

Yes, it's true that I have not commented on the immorality of porn users. My comments have been directed to the tactics being employed by Baldwin - photographing and publishing photos of people with the intention of casting them publicly as immoral or of bad character. I am not prepared to make the judgment that all people who go into an adult store, which is legal by the way, and state they are all perverts or immoral people. I'll leave that to people like you to throw your stones and judge others.

I have no problem with Baldwin opposing adult stores, picketing them, raising awareness of them, etc. I have no objection to having them all closed down if that is the law and what people want to happen. I have stated very clearly about what I object to. Apparently, you are so consumed by your own thoughts and feelings that you are unable to see the danger that tactics, such as publishing photos of law abiding citizens without their permission and casting them publicly as immoral people, entails. And please spare the self serving lectures. Sexual perverts are onerous to our society and should be locked away for a long time for criminal activity, IMO. Apparently, you want to label anyone who goes into an adult store as a pervert. Perhaps we should just shoot them all, right? So what if a few moral people are caught in your web. The important thing is that the adult store be closed because it stands for immorality in your personal view. There are legal ways to deal with businesses that you find objectionable. We are, after all, a nation of laws, are we not? PS: Your whine about having to read my posts for hours is childish. No one asked you to do that. Don't read my posts if you are offended or don't understand them. You will be happier.


356 posted on 01/18/2006 10:26:24 PM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: LittleMoe
A lot of other people in Nyack do have a problem with it:

(Village of Nyack Meetings)

Simple decency rarely wins out in the modern world, but it's nice to see action from such concerned citizens, regardless of the outcome. I wish them luck. It's good of Baldwin to bring media attention (and his own creative ideas) to the effort.

357 posted on 01/18/2006 10:52:39 PM PST by Innisfree
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To: Pure Country
It's not illegal to go into a porn store. It's an invasion of privacy, and if you are truly conservative in your beliefs, you would understand that what a person does in the privacy of their own home or own time, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else, is their own business!
358 posted on 01/19/2006 5:29:41 AM PST by ToddBush ("The only reason you're conscious is that I don't want to carry you" - Jack Bauer)
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To: AmericanDave
"HEY I think if a porn shop was being put in your neighborhood, after getting no results from city zoning, just putting a little daylight on the proceedings is a pretty fair way to go about it."

I wouldn't harass the law-abiding patrons. This guy is going way over the line when he publishes their names in the newspaper because now he has different moral values. I hope the patrons sue his ass into bankruptcy. Not for taking pictures in public, which any one can do, but for his Taliban tactics of punishing someone who doesn't follow his beliefs. This is America if he wants to be a Puritan after years of drug abuse that's fine. I applaud him, but in America we have the freedom to visit legal establishments without fear of harassment.

359 posted on 01/19/2006 5:34:09 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: ToddBush
It's not illegal to go into a porn store. It's an invasion of privacy, and if you are truly conservative in your beliefs, you would understand that what a person does in the privacy of their own home or own time, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else, is their own business!

You think you are not photo-ed everytime you go into a business, then you are the one that is naive. So everytime I go into WalMart, it's an evasion of my privacy?

360 posted on 01/19/2006 6:26:42 AM PST by Pure Country
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