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To: fox0566
It will come to that here. We are well on our way now.

The MSM, the Hollyweird gang, and the chattering class in Georgetown, San Francisco, and Manhattan are dominated by pro-homo views. Other than that, the overwhelming majority of Americans either don't condone it or believe homos should STFU about it and keep it in the bedroom/closet rather than a public agenda.

The chances of being arrested in this country for speaking against homosexuality are nil and none. Unlike other countries, we have the First Amendment. Counting Alito, at least 6 members of the U.S. Supremes would never vote to uphold a law curtailing speech about homosexuality. If Ginsberg and Stephens are replaced in the next couple of years, you can increase that total to 8 (Souter will vote for his fellow pillow-biters all the time).

What are the odds of such a law being passed on a national level? Zip. Maybe 50 in the House and 10 in the Senate would support it...and then one would have to wait for a President Hillary to sign it ('09 or later). Assuming passed, the U.S. Supremes would promptly strike it down per above.

What about state laws? One could see a few blue states trying to pass such a law (California, Mass., Vermont, etc.). But public support in those states for civil unions/marriages as 'equal rights' is far different than public support for censuring/prosecuting heteros for speech. Doubtful such would pass...and if it did, the state laws would be stricken by the U.S. Supremes too on First Amendment grounds.

37 posted on 01/15/2006 11:21:45 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph
I wish I had such firm faith in the Supreme Court as a protector of individual rights. I think, however, that your faith is badly misplaced. Look at the huge errosion of the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th ammendments. Random roadblocks and searches. Sure! Total gun bans in selected locations? Yep. Federal government regulating every aspect of life in the individual states, including toilet tank size? No problem. Number of the current justices appointed by Republicans: 7 of 9.

Here is information of the pending California hate crimes law:

California's Hate Crimes Expansion: Dangerous to Christians?
Jody Brown
Agape Press

The "thought police" may soon be roaming the corridors of businesses and schools in California, in search of people who have been accused of uttering "hate speech" toward homosexuals. Several Christian activists in the Golden State are concerned that that indeed could be the scenario if Senate Bill 1234 becomes law.

The intent of SB 1234 is to redefine what constitutes a "hate crime" in California. In general, hate crimes laws create different classes of victims, seeking greater punishments for crimes committed against one class of people -- such as homosexuals -- over other victims. Under this legislation, individuals could claim that someone expressing their deeply held beliefs, whether political or religious, presents an "intimidating" threat that is punishable.

A section of the proposed law reads as follows:

Speech alone is not sufficient to support an action brought [under this law] except upon a showing that the speech itself threatens violence against a specific person or group of persons; and the person or group of persons against whom the threat is directed reasonably fears that, because of the speech, violence will be committed against them or their property and that the person threatening violence had the apparent ability to carry out the threat.

Penalties for violating SB 1234 include criminal prosecution and fines of $25,000.

Sponsored by lesbian State Senator Sheila Kuehl, SB 1234 has already been passed by the Senate and could be voted on by the Assembly as soon as today (Wednesday). Opponents of the bill are not optimistic about the Assembly vote and expect the measure to move along to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's desk for his signature before the end of the month.

Punishing Perceived Threats

Those critics maintain that crimes against persons should be punishable, but that unlawful conduct -- not attitudes -- should be punished. The Campaign for California Families says Keuhl's legislation, in redefining what constitutes hate crimes, "borders on stifling free speech and infringing upon peaceful, conscientious conduct."

CCF continues, describing the bill as "dangerous to our society" and vulnerable to being applied subjectively and inequitably. "It is wrong to award proponents of certain beliefs unprecedented power to criminalize their opponents' free speech and peaceful conduct," CCF states. "This bill is overly-broad and can injure innocent persons who are expressing political speech, not committing assault or violence of any kind."

Hate crimes law, CCF says, are the first step toward "thought police" because they punish people's points of views instead of focusing on people's conduct.

California pro-family activist James Hartline calls SB 1234 a "frightening rewrite" of current civil rights laws that is masquerading as a protection measure. Christians, he says, should be particularly concerned.

"This bill would censor all Californians from their constitutional right to free speech when articulating what the Bible states regarding the sinful nature of homosexuality," he says, citing several scenarios. He contends the bill would prevent pastors from speaking out against homosexuality from the pulpit and would allow law enforcement to enter a church and arrest a pastor for doing so.

"[And] any person who says they are 'fearful' because someone has said homosexuality is wrong could have the speaker arrested and jailed,"

One might dismiss them as paranoid about over use of the law if we didn't see the exact same scenario in Europe and Canada now resulting in prosecutions of individuals who have done nothing except express their opinions that homosexuality is wrong.

73 posted on 01/15/2006 11:49:08 AM PST by Jack Black
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