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To: CharlesWayneCT

It's just a TV show. I know, so you don't have to tell me.

But anyway, here's my gripes for this evening.

1) Why does FLOTUS have no secret service protection?
2) How could FLOTUS sneak out of a secured location where I would presume SS is positioned to prevent intruders?
3) How did yellow-tie guy get past the "security perimeter" at the airport, in order to get to the hanger that was outside the perimeter?
4) If the hanger was outside the perimeter, how did the fake SWAT truck get back INTO the perimeter so that it could later drive OUT of the perimeter past the guards?
5) Why is the guard at the airport perimeter bothering to hold a clipboard, if he's not checking license plates of vehicles coming and going?
6) What secure building lets visitors just wave in and out on a level-2 security clearance pass. My work isn't hardly secure at all, and we have to record all visitors and issue passes. I'm sure CTU used to make everybody get a pass.
7) In the middle of a crisis, a terror attack at an airport, former president is dead, agents are dead, nerve gas on the loose -- and CTU can't tell the president his chief of staff was running an illegal operation at CTU? In the real world we can get the chief of staff fired for lying to investigators about something that wasn't a crime, but here we can't warn the president that a traitor is in the white house? Aren't they worried the traitor might KILL the president or first lady, he's already had ample opportunity. Sorry, that whole "we need proof" doesn't cut it for me, its the hardest thing so far for me to accept. Secret Service would simply arrest him, and let someone else sort it out later.
8) I'm not positive about this: While Tony knew Jack was alive, he had no idea at the time of the bombing that Jack was involved in any way with what was happening. And it seems pretty sure that nobody would have told the doctor about Jack being back (although I guess the word would have spread). So it seemed just a bit suspicious to me that Tony, having awakened from being blown up, not knowing anything that had happened in the show other than that the former president had been killed, would ask to talk to Jack.


That's it for me. Chloe had the two best lines of the night, already pointed out by observant people above: "I just did" and "camamile tea".

Ever notice that sometimes Jack really tries to keep bad guys alive, while other times he just doesn't, but in either case they end up dead?

I think CTU could use some security guys actually monitoring the cameras.

I'm not too dissappointed in cell phones working at CTU. I don't think the security is actually a secret facility in the "DoD" sense of the term, more of an FBI-type "under wraps" kind of place where cell phones would be useful.

If FLOTUS wasn't groggy, she might have thought to ask her staff person who SHE told about the paper in her blouse. The staff person would then remember she told the COS, and that would confirm the stuff CTU had if they weren't keeping it secret rather than giving the information to the Secret Service. And they could always dust her for fingerprints...... :->

Last observation. While its great that FLOTUS escaped, I'm curious how she holds any real significance in this plot. She was going to be told by Palmer about "something", but she wasn't told, it wasn't in the communication, they all know Palmer knew something, and the plot is already public and ongoing. And now we know about the COS. So it will be interesting to see how any information she can provide will be of any real value.


3,221 posted on 01/23/2006 8:27:14 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Dude. You didn't let me down. Your post was the one I had to read every single post since the beginning of the show to get to.

I was right with you on everything you've said concerning this week's episodes. And in fact thanks to you (and several others on this thread), I compiled 19 critical plot holes from last week's episodes, and sent it off as thoraine eMail to my Mom about the show. Yes!

You know, when ever I run into people who are Steve - Fly Like an Eagle - Miller fans, I always comment something like: "Steve's all right and everything, but I just have a hard time listening to him sucking in all that air after each sentance he sings." Never fails, a few days or so later, invariably they come up to me and punch me in the arm. "What'dya do THAT for?" "You destroyed my hero." "You destroyed my HERO. I can't listen to Stever Miller any more. I never noticed that he breathes that way until you TOLD ME! Now I can't listen to him anymore (their voices trailing off into a whimper...

As far as #8, Tony NEVER woke up. The assassin guy killed the doc, and then made the call requesting Jack come see Tony and made that story all up. One look at Tony should've been evidence enough: he's been out cold since Michelle was killed.


3,234 posted on 01/23/2006 10:19:03 PM PST by raygun
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To: CharlesWayneCT
1) Why does FLOTUS have no secret service protection? 2) How could FLOTUS sneak out of a secured location where I would presume SS is positioned to prevent intruders?

I don't think they typically have SS posted outside every room inside the residence at retreats like this... presumably, the perimeter is secure and I don't think the president and first lady walk around the house at Camp David or W's Ranch, for example, with SS in tow.

3,236 posted on 01/23/2006 10:20:54 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
3) How did yellow-tie guy get past the "security perimeter" at the airport, in order to get to the hanger that was outside the perimeter?

He found a hole... sometimes the enemy is cunning too.

3,237 posted on 01/23/2006 10:22:01 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
4) If the hanger was outside the perimeter, how did the fake SWAT truck get back INTO the perimeter so that it could later drive OUT of the perimeter past the guards?

I think those guards were at the entrance to the airport hanger area... unrelated to the emergency 'perimeter'.

3,238 posted on 01/23/2006 10:23:33 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So it seemed just a bit suspicious to me that Tony, having awakened from being blown up, not knowing anything that had happened in the show other than that the former president had been killed, would ask to talk to Jack.

That's a pretty good point. :~D

RE: you're issues about Spencer (6) and Walt (7). The plot hole I thought of was a little different. When Walt had Spencer let the 'assassin' dude in, he had to know that whether the assassin was successful or not, his [Walt's] cover would be blown... That CTU would soon find out who let the guy in, and that Spencer would talk. Yet Walt didn't appear to be in emergency mode about his own cover.

3,240 posted on 01/23/2006 10:31:42 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She was going to be told by Palmer about "something", but she wasn't told

But she's been committed before for her conspiracy theories, and isn't her psychiatrist in on things with Walt? Perhaps her previous information has been discounted as crazy talk, but it wasn't..Logan is under Walt's influence-that's for sure.

3,249 posted on 01/24/2006 6:08:20 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If FLOTUS wasn't groggy, she might have thought to ask her staff person who SHE told about the paper in her blouse

Keep your eye on that staffer. I'm thinking her loyalty is suspect.

3,255 posted on 01/24/2006 6:50:47 AM PST by don-o
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Chloe had the two best lines of the night, already pointed out by observant people above: "I just did" and "camamile tea".

Sorry, those were good, but Jack had the best line when he was talking with the Hobbit guy and the Hobbit said "That means someone inside the administration is behind the nerve gas."

Jack says, "Yeah, you better look into that."

Jack, not being CTU, can be snarky to his former superiors.

SD

3,275 posted on 01/24/2006 9:08:50 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Good points....and you used the word 'perimeter,' so I get to take another drink.
3,316 posted on 01/25/2006 7:05:10 AM PST by hummingbird (And, yes, I am wearing my Notre Dame T-Shirt today!)
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