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To: AnAmericanMother

You're right, the ideas used are flawed. But then, so is most people's idea of "intelligence".

There's an obedience site where the man lists dogs who are difficult to train - and GS are 1 of them, e.g. People equate "intelligence" w/"obedience", but it's not the same. A dumb dog can be very obedient, a smart dog take ages and lots of muscle to train.

GS are usually very stubborn, but that is not the same as stupid (just look at the old "mule" insult - but they're not stupid though they've been called that for ages, just stubborn and don't want to obey you - sometimes for good reason). Not at all. I know my former GS was smart as a whip - outsmarted whole slew of Border Collies in their own home, apparently understanding their home better than they did - but somewhat stubborn (she was a dominant dog). She also knew what to do when I asked her to look for my cat who had gone into shock and escaped in a strange area. Actually she overall didn't take much effort to obedience train, but she did need the "muscling" to do it by and large.

It's as what I say about the human world - there is "intelligence", and there is "knowledge". Repeating the whole encyclopedia is not intelligence, it's having knowledge (and good memory). Intelligence is how you use the information. Same w/dogs - where training = knowledge.


123 posted on 01/12/2006 7:32:39 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
What it really boils down to is that intelligence really doesn't have an absolute measurement.

I think "trainability" is an important consideration, because it generally gives novice dog-owners a good indication of how cooperative a particular breed would be. But this list is still deceptive because you sure wouldn't want to turn your average Border Collie over to a novice dog owner (talk about a disaster!) Very intelligent, very trainable, but also obsessive compulsive workaholics who will make your life hell on earth if you don't give them a job to do . . .

Better not to rely on a list, just talk to dog trainers and breeders before you buy!

-- although I still think the Afghans are about the dumbest dogs I ever saw.

124 posted on 01/12/2006 7:52:58 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: the OlLine Rebel
BTW, I never heard anybody call a mule stupid.

Stubborn, you bet. Mean, you bet. Hold a grudge, absolutely. But never, NEVER stupid.

(of course, my family is from the country in the South and we actually know mules. I prefer horses because I like to be sure that my steed is dumber than I am . . . with a mule you're never sure.)

125 posted on 01/12/2006 7:54:28 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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