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To: TC Rider
As I recall, a first order relic would be a piece of the true cross, his robe, the shroud of Turin, etc. A second order relic would be something associated with Mary. A church in Rome supposedly has some of Mary's breast milk in a reliquary. Third order relics are objects that have been touched or in close proximity to first order relics. They tend to abound in Italy.

A first-order relic is an actual piece of a saint (or Christ, if one existed). A second-order relic is something the saint or Christ wore or used during his lifetime. A third-order relic is something that has touched a first- or second-order relic.

Thus, the cross should technically be a second-order relic, the Shroud of Turin third-order.

386 posted on 12/09/2005 8:49:05 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat; TC Rider
A first-order relic is an actual piece of a saint (or Christ, if one existed). A second-order relic is something the saint or Christ wore or used during his lifetime. A third-order relic is something that has touched a first- or second-order relic.

Note to self: Religion - freaky

395 posted on 12/09/2005 8:56:16 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
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To: antiRepublicrat
A first-order relic is an actual piece of a saint (or Christ, if one existed). A second-order relic is something the saint or Christ wore or used during his lifetime. A third-order relic is something that has touched a first- or second-order relic.

Thanks for correcting my faulty memory. Point was, I found it kind of freaky that they kept track of stuff like this, especially the breast milk of the Virgin Mary (according to my friend the Vatican was not too happy about that one.)

We did see quite a few first order relics, fingers, bones, etc of various Saints in the various cathedrals from Notre Dame to the ones in Rome.

We stayed at the Santa Ana hotel, very near St. Peters. According to my friend, we could put all our souvenirs from the various local shops on the window sill, within the sound of the Pope's voice, and they would be 'blessed' by the Pope (JPII at the time). I had bought myself several pairs of the bright red socks at the vestment shops, hoping my feet would be infallible. Still can't dance.

473 posted on 12/09/2005 10:25:05 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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