New Linux study suggests fundamental Microsoft credibility problems

Linux Watch ^ | 11/17/2005 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

[amigatec]

You know I find it amazing that we have a software company that went into business with software downloaded from somebody else computer, then 'bought' an OS that they knew was stolen from somebody else. They have taken IP from companies and people all over the planet, been sued in numerous courts around the world, payed out millions to settle these cases, and still continues to violate the law, and GE will STILL defend them and complains about free software. It's ok for MS to steal proprietary software and keep the profit, but is wrong to take free software?

Somebody needs to explain the reasoning behind this.

[Stentor]

Somebody needs to explain the reasoning behind this.

Follow the money.

[Unicode_Wizard]

Talk about spelling mistakes, doesn't even make sense. Bottom line Red Hat and IBM are giving their work away for free to China, and ChinaThreat needed to know that. I informed him and you wanted to claim Red Hat doesn't significantly contribute to Linux which is bunk, they have hundreds of programmers working on it including more contributions to the kernel than anyone. The rest is you just wasting everyone's time and this site's bandwidth with your whines that you've been exposed, again, like on most every thread. If you think you could ever grow up past your lunix stooge phase, you'd answer up on the question of how these 1K "red hat" guys should be allowed to threaten the hundreds of thousands of Windows and Unix jobs out there. We all know you love your free software, and use it for everything, mindlessly glamorizing it constantly. But if everyone else did the same, and no one used anything but freeware we just shot around the world to every other dictator constantly, how in the heck is that good for US software supremacy? Obviously, it isn't, it's actually the best way to attack our supremacy, to standardize us and the world on the exact same thing. See if you can muster up an answer for that one.

I just don't see the huge deal with "US software supremacy". You seem to be all about the red, white, and blue, but are extremely critical of any other country possibly sharing in power with us. Standardization on Free Software (which is very different from freeware, a concept only a windows user could interchange), would take our "lead", and our communications with the rest of the world may improve as a result. We all exist on the same planet, the US is not the ultimate, and we aren't in a bid for supremacy, that's why we work together with other countries. Also, you seem to think Red Hat = Linux, and you are very much mistaken, Red Hat merely packages GNU tools with a linux kernel, but again, the concept of modularity and customization is lost on a windows user. I prefer using Free Software over what a monopoly tells me to use. Tell me, if MS is so american, why do they frequently break copyright law, a law enforced by none other than your Holy United States of America? It also makes sense to me that I have a choice to use MS or linux, and this is supposed to be a free country, but instead of waving the flag, you'd rather beat us over the head with it.

[MarkL]

How do I patch a Kernel and why would I want to?

What do you think you're doing when you run "Windows Update?"

But more importantly:

Why wouldn't I turn my computer off at the end of the day if I'm not a file server that needs to run 24/7?

Ummmm, that's exactly what the article is about. They were comparing Windows Server to Novell (formerly SuSe) SLES (SuSe Linux Enterprise Server), and how they ran e-Commerce applications.

That's the whole point of this thread.

Mark

[goldstategop]

Xandros is very user-friendly. And don't get me started on MacOSX, which is basically a high end proprietary hardware-software UNIX based OS.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[MarkL]

We took the case off, tapped on the drive with a screwdriver and it spun up.

Wow I have *NEVER* had that work and the few times I tried it I felt like the monkey in 2000 a space Odyssey... banking something with a bone rather in a rather clumsy fashion.. Glad to hear somebody can do it.

Seagate 4096 80MB *** Yes, that's Megabyte *** drives had a bad problem with stiction, where they wouldn't spin up. Whacking them with a screwdriver would sometimes work, but I found a more violent and reliable way was to lift the side of the case with the power switch about 3 inches off the desk, throw the switch, and drop the case. That would usually get the drive to spin up.

I also remember the old 8 bit "Hard Cards," and a drive problem that they had. I still remember the bulletin instructions. Something along the lines of

Hold the hard card at chest level at a 45 degree angle

Shake like a ketchup bottle.

Mark

[MarkL]

In many cases the problem would be aggravated by a marginal power supply. Adding a 47uf to the 5 volt lead usually helped the problem machine.

And an swful lot of those power supplies just sent a signal to the "power good" line, rather than waiting for the voltage to stabilize.

Mark

[dread78645]

And an swful lot of those power supplies just sent a signal to the "power good" line, rather than waiting for the voltage to stabilize.

And which lead had the "power good" line on the ST506 MFM drive cable ?

[MarkL]

And which lead had the "power good" line on the ST506 MFM drive cable ?

Sorry, I was talking about the power supply, independantly of the hard drive issue. There were a number of systemboards I had to deal with that showed severe flakyness due to starting up with unstable power.

Mark

[adam_az]

"Does Linux run the latest version of Doom? "

YEP.

http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/

"How about Hitman 2: Silent Assassin? (a personal fave) "

YEP.

http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=hitman2

[adam_az]

"Bingo. My Fedora box has been telling me to update for 6 months, but since I have no idea what Yum is and I don't feel like reading a couple of books to figure it out, I won't update."

I'm pretty sure the command is

# yum update kernel

[adam_az]

"Yes, according to here and elsewhere Red Hat has a few hundred paid developers working on Linux that they subsequently give away to China for free."

Micrsoft has thousands of developers and they gave their OS and source code to China for free. You and I can't get it for free.

Red Hat gave their OS to EVERYONE for free.

[adam_az]

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2126996/2127366/2129226/051121_Tech_OpenSource_ex.gif

The pictire you posted of Karl Marx over the words "open source" is from Slate magazine, a liberal rag, which is owned by.... MICROSOFT!

duh.

[adam_az]

"BTW, Sun Solaris has just been named the standard 64-bit environment for Oracle. Expect others to follow that lead."

Uh huh.

http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/2005_aug/ondemand%20on%2064bit%20linux.html

Oracle Powers Data Center and Oracle® On Demand with 64-bit Linux
Oracle On Demand Customers Benefit from Oracle Technology and Applications Delivered on x86-64-bit Architecture
LINUXWORLD, SAN FRANCISCO, 10-AUG-2005 Extending its leadership and longstanding commitment to Linux, Oracle today announced that its Oracle(r) On Demand services and Oracle Data Center are now powered by the x86 64-bit architecture. Oracle E- Business Suite On Demand and Oracle Technology On Demand customers, such as Thermos, Cabot Microelectronics, Tropicana and UNOCAL Corporation, benefit from the high- performance, reliability and security provided by Oracle software on a low-cost, Linux platform.

Oracle provides support for the Linux operating system, makes technical contributions to the Linux kernel, and has forged strategic partnerships with hardware vendors and Linux distributors. At Oracle's world-class Data Center, Oracle On Demand customers have mission- critical, transactional applications deployed and managed on AMD-64-based Sun back-end systems running Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES). Oracle On Demand simplifies enterprise computing by eliminating the headache of handling software upgrades, patches, and day-to-day maintenance. Oracle On Demand customers have access to the latest capabilities and pay a predictable, monthly fee.

"As the leading enterprise software vendor driving adoption of the Linux platform, Oracle continues to test and deploy software on the latest architectures to give our customers all of the cost and performance advantages it delivers," said Juergen Rottler, executive vice president, Oracle On Demand and Support Services. "By building our own IT systems on Linux, we help our customers realize first-hand the business benefits as well as the lower IT costs associated with using Linux in an x86 64-bit operating environment."

Oracle Leads with Linux
Since introducing the first database to run on Linux in 1998, Oracle has been committed to furthering Linux adoption across the enterprise. According to Gartner's recently released relational database management system (RDBMS) market share results for 2004, Linux is the fastest growing platform with 118 percent growth and Oracle is the top database on Linux with 81 percent market share.1

Support has been a hallmark of the Oracle-Linux organization since June 2002 when Oracle began providing integrated support for the entire software platform, including the operating system. Currently, customers from around the globe tap into Oracle's global team for 24/7 technical support for Linux. Oracle also has a Linux Kernel Group dedicated to working with Linux vendors and developers to provide fixes and develop new functionality to benefit the Linux community.

[adam_az]

"So you dont know how many they have (and have yet to post anything indicating you do) and somehow youre being truthful... Glass house + stone = GE on this thread.."

Golden Kerry knew the number before he didn't know the number.

That's not flip flopping - it's NUANCE!

[Golden Eagle]

We all exist on the same planet, the US is not the ultimate

Thanks for finally admitting where you guys stand, since no one else is man enough. You don't see the US as any better than any two bit dictatorship, and just as soon we all share everything we have with everyone else because there's no way any of it would ever be used against us. Let me tell you this, there's always going to be a country leading this world, and bozos that want to whittle the US's lead down to nothing are only ensuring someone else takes our place. That's why so many foreigners love this open source, and true patriots like me are so against it.

[Golden Eagle]

Slate is owned by Wash Post. Learn some facts before you even attempy further insult.

[Tarpon]

Linux is the cheap plastic version of Unix. Solaris is for grown ups. *ducking* ;-)

Why duck, it's true. Solaris with ZFS and zones makes the rest look like buggy whips. When Nexenta makes it to final, the war will be over. The daily bombardment of viruses and crap has taken it's toll, better to switch than fight.

M$ is losing their grip, they announced that the office file formats will go open source next year, can media player be far behind?

[Golden Eagle]

attempt, sorry on a handheld

[Golden Eagle]

deployed and managed on AMD-64-based Sun back-end systems

No wonder Oracle chose Solaris for the future, their largest Linux DB's were already on Sun hardware!