OK how about this? I was in the audience at a radio televised debate between a female conservative talk show host and three liberal tree huggers as they discussed the merits of their respective opinions.
The show was hosted at a restaurant/bar type place.
Conversation was getting pretty hot through the crowd, tossing verbal jabs back and forth.
One liberal started in on me with a tirade about peace in Iraq and the evils of western civilization and so forth. I asked him what the US and Europe ever did that could be compared to Iraq, and Communist China, and the Soviet Union and the kinds of killings that went on in those places?
So anyway, the liberal comes up with the British occupation of India and how evil that was and I granted him it was wrong to occupy the country, and then he goes on about how the people of India freed themselves through peaceful demonstrations....