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BYU Professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC
Deseret News ^ | November 10, 2005 | E. Jarvik

Posted on 11/18/2005 11:40:33 AM PST by Iconoclast2

The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor.

In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones.

In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html.

Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations.

"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes — which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.

As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation."

Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says. The official explanation — that fires caused structural damage that caused the buildings to collapse — can't be backed up by either testing or history, he says.

Jones acknowledges that there have been "junk science" conspiracy theories about what happened on 9/11, but "the explosive demolition hypothesis better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony and therefore is not 'junk science.' "

In a 9,000-word article that Jones says will be published in the book "The Hidden History of 9/11," by Elsevier, Jones offers these arguments:

• The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" — and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."

• No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.

• WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors — and intact steel support columns — the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.

• With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."

• Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.

• Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.

• Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.

• Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.

Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding."

Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September.

Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.


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KEYWORDS: 911; 911conspiracy; academia; byu; oldiebutgoodie; terrorism; tinfoil; wtc
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To: Paradox

And, er, maybe the buildings were designed to collapse cleanly?

And didn't Al Quada, in fact, complain that the buildings didn't topple, as they hoped?


21 posted on 11/18/2005 11:49:07 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Iconoclast2

He probably also believes God can be found in a hat.


22 posted on 11/18/2005 11:49:14 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Iconoclast2
"Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.

And physics tells him THAT precisely how.

I'll wait for his "physics" paper that disproves the Holocaust.

23 posted on 11/18/2005 11:50:17 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

That will be he next thesis.


24 posted on 11/18/2005 11:50:47 AM PST by mosquewatch.com
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To: Cicero
by the huge amount of jet fuel that was burning there from much larger planes than were ever expected or allowed for

So, did a plane loaded with fuel crash into WTC Building 7?

Just wondering..................

25 posted on 11/18/2005 11:51:59 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

What about having the physics of a 20 story weight smashing into a 80 story base from 30 feet up. That's what looked like it happened. Also, just because a diesel doesn't burn at a certain temp in an engine or beaker doesn't mean it would not burn at that temperature in an oven. The WTC made a nice oven with the windows popped out. Remember our ancestors used to make steel with WOOD fires and CHARCOAL both of which burn at much lower temperatures than diesel in the open. But when put into a furnace get hot enough to melt steel.


26 posted on 11/18/2005 11:53:00 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Cicero
1) by the huge amount of jet fuel that was burning there from much larger planes than were ever expected or allowed for; 2) the environmentalist decision to stop cladding the steel with asbestos beyond the lower floors; 3) the domino effect of the top floors collapsing onto the floors lower down.

Add to that the damage that is done when you ram airplanes weighing several hundred thousand pounds each into the structures at 600mph.

27 posted on 11/18/2005 11:54:07 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
BYU? They were probably powered by cold fusion.

Check it out. He is into Cold Fusion.


28 posted on 11/18/2005 11:54:36 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Iconoclast2
explosive such as thermite

Any boot Marine or Dog Face knows that thermite isn't an explosive. It is an incendiary. I would think a high caliber expert like Dr. Jones would have picked up on that fact.

29 posted on 11/18/2005 11:55:09 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: kalt
I have a few questions for the professor. Why didn't anyone hear bombs go off in any of the three towers? And if there was a bomb in WTC 7, why did it detonate so much later than in the other buildings and why didn't al Qaeda send a plane to hit WTC 7 as well? And how can he possibly claim that the group that flew the planes into the buildings did not know that the buildings have bombs that would go off? If the plane hijackings and crashes were a "diversion tactic," surely al Qaeda at least knew that the buildings had bombs that would be detonated at a certain time.

I think the professor may have a lot to add to the debate if indeed the way the buildings collapsed is not consistent with having been hit by the planes, but his alternate theory is just absurd. He should have just limited himself to analyzing the physics of the building collapse and leave the alternate theories to people who actually have a scintilla of common sense.
30 posted on 11/18/2005 11:55:46 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Iconoclast2

There is an old method for cutting the tops off of glass cylinders; you soak a string in alcohol, tie it around the line at which you want the separation you want to take place and light it.

After it burns itself out, spray ice-water on the glass at that line and tap it sharply.

In that case, there is no column load; to demonstrate the effects of fire on a column load, I suggest you take an aluminum can and place a brick on the top, soak a similar string, tie it around the approximate upper part of the cylinder where the impact and resultant fire would have been on the towers, light it and see how much of the can deforms through gravity.

Of course the towers weren't cylinders, and the collapse was seen only from outside; what made it remarkable was that the structure seemed to come down through itself.


31 posted on 11/18/2005 11:57:23 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: WhiteGuy
So, did a plane loaded with fuel crash into WTC Building 7? Just wondering..................

The 110 story buildings were structurally devasted by the impact of the jet planes.

WTC 7 was structurally devasted by the awesome power released by the collapse of two 110 story buildings partially on top of it.

32 posted on 11/18/2005 11:59:47 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: WhiteGuy

Stuff fell on it.

Bodies fell through windows in apartment buildings all the way over by Battery Park City. The fall was neat, but not all that neat.


33 posted on 11/18/2005 12:03:52 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Iconoclast2
The major problem with the explosive theory is that the towers didn't collapse from the bottom which is how implosion demolition works. You remove the lowest support columns and the building will pancake down. The collapse occurred from the point where the planes impacted into the building. The historical video shows the upper floors falling intact onto the lower floors. This immense force caused the lower floors to collapse and sheer apart to either side.

It would have been and engineering marvel to have the explosive pre-positioned at the point of impact of the planes. Why didn't they explode when the planes hit the building?

34 posted on 11/18/2005 12:04:56 PM PST by OneRatToGo
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To: Jack Black
If you look at this whole situation, it's not just the WTC towers, and the loony toons conspiracy theories, but, look at how the USA is pandering to the Liberals in congress/MSM/Democrats and the mussssssssssslims ( Islam is a cult and false religion ... and I am sticking to my statement ).

It is more pervasive than the argument or bogus conspiracy theory of the WTC towers.
Look at how we must be " SENSITIVE " towards the musssssssssslims ( Islam is a cult and false religion, and Muhammad was a false prophet ,,,, and I am sticking to my statement ) and look how Christians are being harassed / trashed / lied about in the media/TV movies.
I saw E-Ring last Wednesday for the first and last time.
They made the Christians to look like the bad guy, the terrorist in the show E-Ring... and I recent how they made the Christians look in that show .
And another example was that movie that was on NBC last sunday ( Catogory 7 - the end of days ) .... in that movie, once again, they made the " CHRISTAINS " look bad, and made them out to be the bad guy, and once again, in a indirect way ,,, corparations: i.e. electricty, cars, bussinesses.
The USA, and Christians, and the traditional familiy is under attack by our enemies in other countries, and emenies from with in our own country: THE LIBERALS / MSM.
This bogus propaganda that you are hearing is just that:
PROPAGANDA ......
however ? I believe the American public was not told the whole true story in what really happened with TWA Flight - 800.
TWA Flight - 800 and the Able Danger cover up is all part of a bigger scandle and story that we are just starting to know and we are beginning to see the light into what really happened on 9/11 and the TWA flight - 800.
It all goes back to the Clinton's and Jamie Gorelick and " THE WALL " .
35 posted on 11/18/2005 12:15:03 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Iconoclast2
I don't see this getting published in a real, peer-reviewed scientific journal. The professor is opining outside his area of training and doing it poorly, too. Perhaps the loonie left has a "journal" for this tripe.
36 posted on 11/18/2005 12:22:58 PM PST by Fudd
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To: Cicero; dead

OK,


37 posted on 11/18/2005 12:28:31 PM PST by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: Iconoclast2

This is what you get from someone who takes ID Physics.


38 posted on 11/18/2005 12:29:17 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Iconoclast2

If you go through this guys CV, he is something of a Nuclear/particle physicist. Maybe his classical physics is shaky these days. I think I will trust STRUCTURAL engineers over this guy. Of course, the loonies will see him as the WORLDS AUTHORITY on structural demolition..


39 posted on 11/18/2005 12:35:39 PM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: All

How about this explanation... It was a MIRACLE. Call me a kook. I don't care. I believe that God kept those buildings from falling OVER instead of DOWN.


40 posted on 11/18/2005 12:40:12 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (The Koolaid can easily be avoided. It is RED!)
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