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BYU Professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC
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| November 10, 2005
| E. Jarvik
Posted on 11/18/2005 11:40:33 AM PST by Iconoclast2
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To: Paradox
And, er, maybe the buildings were designed to collapse cleanly?
And didn't Al Quada, in fact, complain that the buildings didn't topple, as they hoped?
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:49:07 AM PST
by
MeanWestTexan
(Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
To: Iconoclast2
He probably also believes God can be found in a hat.
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:49:14 AM PST
by
bonfire
(dwindler)
To: Iconoclast2
"Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.And physics tells him THAT precisely how.
I'll wait for his "physics" paper that disproves the Holocaust.
To: PBRSTREETGANG
That will be he next thesis.
To: Cicero
by the huge amount of jet fuel that was burning there from much larger planes than were ever expected or allowed for So, did a plane loaded with fuel crash into WTC Building 7?
Just wondering..................
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:51:59 AM PST
by
WhiteGuy
(Vote for gridlock)
To: Prophet in the wilderness
What about having the physics of a 20 story weight smashing into a 80 story base from 30 feet up. That's what looked like it happened. Also, just because a diesel doesn't burn at a certain temp in an engine or beaker doesn't mean it would not burn at that temperature in an oven. The WTC made a nice oven with the windows popped out. Remember our ancestors used to make steel with WOOD fires and CHARCOAL both of which burn at much lower temperatures than diesel in the open. But when put into a furnace get hot enough to melt steel.
To: Cicero
1) by the huge amount of jet fuel that was burning there from much larger planes than were ever expected or allowed for; 2) the environmentalist decision to stop cladding the steel with asbestos beyond the lower floors; 3) the domino effect of the top floors collapsing onto the floors lower down.
Add to that the damage that is done when you ram airplanes weighing several hundred thousand pounds each into the structures at 600mph.
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:54:07 AM PST
by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: Paleo Conservative
BYU? They were probably powered by cold fusion. Check it out. He is into Cold Fusion.
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:54:36 AM PST
by
Ditto
( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
To: Iconoclast2
explosive such as thermiteAny boot Marine or Dog Face knows that thermite isn't an explosive. It is an incendiary. I would think a high caliber expert like Dr. Jones would have picked up on that fact.
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:55:09 AM PST
by
oyez
(Appeasement is death!)
To: kalt
I have a few questions for the professor. Why didn't anyone hear bombs go off in any of the three towers? And if there was a bomb in WTC 7, why did it detonate so much later than in the other buildings and why didn't al Qaeda send a plane to hit WTC 7 as well? And how can he possibly claim that the group that flew the planes into the buildings did not know that the buildings have bombs that would go off? If the plane hijackings and crashes were a "diversion tactic," surely al Qaeda at least knew that the buildings had bombs that would be detonated at a certain time.
I think the professor may have a lot to add to the debate if indeed the way the buildings collapsed is not consistent with having been hit by the planes, but his alternate theory is just absurd. He should have just limited himself to analyzing the physics of the building collapse and leave the alternate theories to people who actually have a scintilla of common sense.
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:55:46 AM PST
by
AuH2ORepublican
(http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
To: Iconoclast2
There is an old method for cutting the tops off of glass cylinders; you soak a string in alcohol, tie it around the line at which you want the separation you want to take place and light it.
After it burns itself out, spray ice-water on the glass at that line and tap it sharply.
In that case, there is no column load; to demonstrate the effects of fire on a column load, I suggest you take an aluminum can and place a brick on the top, soak a similar string, tie it around the approximate upper part of the cylinder where the impact and resultant fire would have been on the towers, light it and see how much of the can deforms through gravity.
Of course the towers weren't cylinders, and the collapse was seen only from outside; what made it remarkable was that the structure seemed to come down through itself.
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:57:23 AM PST
by
Old Professer
(Fix the problem, not the blame!)
To: WhiteGuy
So, did a plane loaded with fuel crash into WTC Building 7? Just wondering..................
The 110 story buildings were structurally devasted by the impact of the jet planes.
WTC 7 was structurally devasted by the awesome power released by the collapse of two 110 story buildings partially on top of it.
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posted on
11/18/2005 11:59:47 AM PST
by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: WhiteGuy
Stuff fell on it.
Bodies fell through windows in apartment buildings all the way over by Battery Park City. The fall was neat, but not all that neat.
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posted on
11/18/2005 12:03:52 PM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Iconoclast2
The major problem with the explosive theory is that the towers didn't collapse from the bottom which is how implosion demolition works. You remove the lowest support columns and the building will pancake down. The collapse occurred from the point where the planes impacted into the building. The historical video shows the upper floors falling intact onto the lower floors. This immense force caused the lower floors to collapse and sheer apart to either side.
It would have been and engineering marvel to have the explosive pre-positioned at the point of impact of the planes. Why didn't they explode when the planes hit the building?
To: Jack Black
If you look at this whole situation, it's not just the WTC towers, and the loony toons conspiracy theories, but, look at how the USA is pandering to the Liberals in congress/MSM/Democrats and the mussssssssssslims ( Islam is a cult and false religion ... and I am sticking to my statement ).
It is more pervasive than the argument or bogus conspiracy theory of the WTC towers.
Look at how we must be " SENSITIVE " towards the musssssssssslims ( Islam is a cult and false religion, and Muhammad was a false prophet ,,,, and I am sticking to my statement ) and look how Christians are being harassed / trashed / lied about in the media/TV movies.
I saw E-Ring last Wednesday for the first and last time.
They made the Christians to look like the bad guy, the terrorist in the show E-Ring... and I recent how they made the Christians look in that show .
And another example was that movie that was on NBC last sunday ( Catogory 7 - the end of days ) .... in that movie, once again, they made the " CHRISTAINS " look bad, and made them out to be the bad guy, and once again, in a indirect way ,,, corparations: i.e. electricty, cars, bussinesses.
The USA, and Christians, and the traditional familiy is under attack by our enemies in other countries, and emenies from with in our own country: THE LIBERALS / MSM.
This bogus propaganda that you are hearing is just that:
PROPAGANDA ......
however ? I believe the American public was not told the whole true story in what really happened with TWA Flight - 800.
TWA Flight - 800 and the Able Danger cover up is all part of a bigger scandle and story that we are just starting to know and we are beginning to see the light into what really happened on 9/11 and the TWA flight - 800.
It all goes back to the Clinton's and Jamie Gorelick and " THE WALL " .
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posted on
11/18/2005 12:15:03 PM PST
by
Prophet in the wilderness
(PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
To: Iconoclast2
I don't see this getting published in a real, peer-reviewed scientific journal. The professor is opining outside his area of training and doing it poorly, too. Perhaps the loonie left has a "journal" for this tripe.
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posted on
11/18/2005 12:22:58 PM PST
by
Fudd
To: Cicero; dead
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posted on
11/18/2005 12:28:31 PM PST
by
WhiteGuy
(Vote for gridlock)
To: Iconoclast2
This is what you get from someone who takes ID Physics.
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posted on
11/18/2005 12:29:17 PM PST
by
jec41
(Screaming Eagle)
To: Iconoclast2
If you go through this guys CV, he is something of a Nuclear/particle physicist. Maybe his classical physics is shaky these days. I think I will trust STRUCTURAL engineers over this guy. Of course, the loonies will see him as the WORLDS AUTHORITY on structural demolition..
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posted on
11/18/2005 12:35:39 PM PST
by
Paradox
(Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
To: All
How about this explanation... It was a MIRACLE. Call me a kook. I don't care. I believe that God kept those buildings from falling OVER instead of DOWN.
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posted on
11/18/2005 12:40:12 PM PST
by
Jo Nuvark
(The Koolaid can easily be avoided. It is RED!)
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