Posted on 11/12/2005 9:33:29 PM PST by abt87
With the riots going on in Paris right now, the problem rests in the fact that there is economic unrests and demographic changes that have caused problems in France. However, the French are not even trying to assimilate these Muslim youths who are of North African descendant. Would it surprise anyone here if similar problem start happening with Hispanics in our country? We have fringe groups like Aztlan and La Raza that want break off the Southwest and "liberate" it in the name of Mexico and "Aztec Power!" (to paraphrase "white power!" if you will.) Is it not unimaginable for millions of unassimilated and unemployed Hispanic youths taking their grievences of economic hardship out on people? Is it not unimaginable that these extremist groups may try to take on American versions of Hamas? For all we know, if illegal immigration continues with a steady stream, and Mexican-Americans are not learning English, they will end up living in ghettoes just as segregated as the Algerians and Tunisians in Paris. Can you picture a suicide bomber under the banner of "¡liberación por Aztlan!" blowing himself up in Hollywood at the 2026 Oscars?
It's a guest worker program...which is what I said it was.
You're dishonest to the bone. As this exchange clearly shows.
"It's a guest worker program...which is what I said it was.
You're dishonest to the bone. As this exchange clearly shows."
That's like saying an old Yugo and a new Mercedes are the same, after all, they both are called cars.
I'm really getting sick of your namecalling, btw. I don't deserve your crude insults.
Hypocrite. You initiated this exchange with namecalling and dishonesty. Typical.
I did no such thing!
here is the first post:
To: PRND21
"Comparing our Mexican immigrants with France's Muslim immigrants is ridiculous and fear mongering by those with an agenda."
Ah, the open borders lobby of FR speaks up, as usual appropriating Dem tactics of painting people who disagree with you as having an "agenda" and implying it's racist. You, of course, have no agenda.... right? Now all we are missing is for Dane to come chime in with her DUHHHHH, I mean UH! comments. So predictable.
It's far from ridiculous or fear mongering. Hint, which religion is aggressively recruiting in prisons? Does the name Jose Padilla ring a bell? Do you know what is going on in South America in the tri-border region with Hizballah and Iranian intelligence? There's a nexus between these things, and it ain't pretty.
You have more in common with my congressman, Ed "Red" Pastor and his buddy from southern AZ Raul Grivalja than you do any Conservative.
43 posted on 11/16/2005 2:45:13 PM MST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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Hypocrite Alert!
That's namecalling and ad hominem, Einstein.
Keep digging.
"Ah, the open borders lobby of FR speaks up"
Thats not name calling... it's what you advocate. It's what I posted a link of you advocating.
Does that mean you support Rep Tancredo's measures for closing the border? Build a wall, deport, must apply for guest worker program from your own country?
I asked for a link. You said I've said that "over and over". You are a liar.
Where did I say I advocate open borders? Where has any Freeper EVER advocated open borders?
You're pathetic, as this thread demonstrates.
Hey Fringer, get your last word in, then bug off.
Tancredo's version of a guest worker program would require applicants to sign up from inside their home countries. Are you in favor of this requirement?
"I asked for a link. You said I've said that "over and over". You are a liar."
Post 43 on this thread - link is there.
I even cut and pasted the text for you.
Meanwhile, you haven't answered a single question of mine, other than with namecalling.
It's a pattern. I've read your last few months of posting history, and hardly a post comes from your fingers without a rude insult. Not a one is educational, informative, or even entertaining. You haven't contributed a single bit of insight that I've seen. Nothing but bile and namecalling.
"Tancredo's version of a guest worker program would require applicants to sign up from inside their home countries. Are you in favor of this requirement?"
Don't hold your breath waiting for him to respond... check out the rest of his posts with me on this thread.
I shoulda learned... don't feed the trolls.
Here's a possible explanation for the disruptors who claim to support securing the border but curse everyone else who wants it done, given by another freeper:
"It occurred to me several months ago that the new FR factor is less about doing what is right and good for America but instead supporting GWB no matter how wrong he may be with respect to his oath of office and what is in the national interests of the USA. If I was a DUmmie I would log on to FR as a GWB supporter and support his outlandish spending, I would stand up for his amnesty program and reluctance to force the rule of law with respect to immigration, I would support his signing of the CFR, I would have supported his nomination of his friend, Harriet Meiers for the SC knowing that her only qualification is that GWB owes her something.
If I was part of a concerted effort to undermine the GOP, I would support the President through thick and thin while whistling past the graveyard."
It isn't practical, like much of Tancredo's bluster, but I have no problem with the requirement.
That text doesn't say what you claimed I said.
Again, show me where I've never advocated open borders or letting everyone in legally, or hush.
It's a pattern. I've read your last few months of posting history
Agreed, the pattern is, you and your ilk accuse people of saying something and fail to link proof.
Say hi to Boothilk.
You've been nipping at my heels this whole thread, hypocrite.
By the way, do you believe Aztlan and La Raza = Al Qaeda?
Howdy new guy!
If I was part of a concerted effort to undermine the GOP, I would support the President through thick and thin while whistling past the graveyard."
Thanks for the tip. You'll find plenty of tools in this shed.
Just because you won't admit to what you said, doesn't mean you didn't say it.
one more time.
here is an example!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1486076/posts?page=14#14
To: cripplecreek
I just want the law obeyed.
Who doesn't?
Hence, "legal guest workers".
14 posted on 09/16/2005 6:02:25 PM MDT by PRND21
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In other words, cripplecreek wants the law obeyed, YOU want the law CHANGED. Changed so that the people who are border jumpers now don't need to jump the border. You want them to come as "legal guest workers." You don't want to restrict illegal immigration, you just want to legalize it. Like I said in a prev post, it's like ending the CRIME of rape by legalizing rape. Someone is still getting screwed, but now it's legal.
Bad logic, bad character, bad post. You lost 50 posts ago.
You want them to come as "legal guest workers"
Just like Tancredo. So you're saying Tancredo is OBL? That's dumb.
You didn't answer the question on #94, Spinner. Bad form.
"Bad logic, bad character, bad post. You lost 50 posts ago."
You're projecting. And dreaming.
"Just like Tancredo. So you're saying Tancredo is OBL? That's dumb."
What the heck are you talking about? You're conflating 3 different issues - the Tancredo plan, the Shamnesty plan, and some imagined comparison between OBL terrorists and La Raza irredentists.
It's like you've been taking debate lessons from Howlin and Dane on these threads, and Golden Eagle on the Linux threads. You can do better than that.
"You didn't answer the question on #94, Spinner. Bad form."
I haven't spun anything - it was a stupid question and not worth responding to. But since you insist,
"By the way, do you believe Aztlan and La Raza = Al Qaeda?"
No. Aztlan is an imagined place that never existed. AQ wishes to bring back the Islamic caliphate.
La Raza hasn't caused mass casualties at this time, though they are a virulently racist organization. Interestingly though, there are many Hizballah and Iranian operatives in South America in the tri-border region. In the US, radical islamic clerics are recruiting heavily in prisons, and as we know, there are many, many illegal aliens in US prisons from south of the border. There will be more Jose Padillas.
How about responding to my unanswered questions to you, oh ally of the open-border spinsters? (that's a double entendre.)
#43, which you answered with an ad-hominem -
"It's far from ridiculous or fear mongering. Hint, which religion is aggressively recruiting in prisons? Does the name Jose Padilla ring a bell? Do you know what is going on in South America in the tri-border region with Hizballah and Iranian intelligence? There's a nexus between these things, and it ain't pretty."
#65
"How about it - do you support closing the borders as a means of stemming illegal immigration? Or do you think that just making them all legal via a "guest worker program" is a way to end the illegal immigration... much like legalizing murder, rape, and robbery would fix the crime statistics?"
Here's another. Can you point to one thread where you advocated any method of locking down the border? I've looked through months of your posting and didn't see one.
I correctly commented that Tancredo favors a guest worker plan. You've been hysterical since.
"I correctly commented that Tancredo favors a guest worker plan. You've been hysterical since."
You favor one and so does Tancredo, but it doesn't follow that you favor Tancredo's plans.
How about answering my other questions... spinner?
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