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Posted on 10/13/2005 6:42:59 PM PDT by Huntress

Episode 4 of Season 4 of The Apprentice is on tonight. I'm a little late in starting a discussion thread, but I'm enjoying this set of contestants more than those from the Season 2 and 3, so here goes.


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KEYWORDS: apprentice; donaldtrump; theapprentice; trump
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1 posted on 10/13/2005 6:43:02 PM PDT by Huntress
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To: Huntress; Asphalt; Polybius; Trout-Mouth; Bullish; meowmeow; Blzbba; politicket; Saundra Duffy; ...

Ping to FReepers who posted on prior Apprentice threads.

ClintonBeGone, do you still have your Apprentice ping list?


2 posted on 10/13/2005 7:11:49 PM PDT by Huntress (Possession really is nine tenths of the law.)
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To: Huntress

Hey count me in, the women implode this season. PC Donald hired his token woman last season so now he can pick a guy again, I'm thinking he's liking Randall quite a bit. If the women keep losing he'll probably mix up the teams coed. Although I did not like Toral I think Donald lost sight of the fact they lost the challenge because they did not have the branding on the character, Alla put the kibosh on that. I think the project manager should have been the one to go. Next week they won't have Toral as an excuse. The men are sure a wide mix of personalities but they know how to work as a team and get the job done.


3 posted on 10/13/2005 8:06:16 PM PDT by MomwithHope
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To: MomwithHope
That was my thought exactly. However, I did think Donald did not like the religious "excuse." Although, he had many reasons to fire her, she did not cause the loss this week.

Jenny the Genie I thought was pretty stupid was it was creative. All I could think of for a mascot was a "Jack Frost." It would have appealed to all as I think we can all recall sitting at the window drawing in the frost or just looking at the pretty design.

If I can do so on this thread. I think Martha's approach last week by not agreeing with the project manager's choice of people to bring to the conference room and recalling everyone back Martha showed she is geared toward result and seems to analyze what caused the loss. She doesn't appear concerned that they might not like each other.

Whereas, I think Trump is more about team effort and fitting in with little analysis of what caused the loss. Which seems contrary to me. He prides himself on uniqueness and doesn't much care what anyone thinks of him.

I also think that Martha does not get the respect from the contestants that Donald gets. They willingly openly and without reservation show their real personalities. In Donald's boardroom I have yet to see anyone disrespect a fellow contestant and the contestants rarely interrupt Donald when he is talking without asking permission.

4 posted on 10/13/2005 8:33:04 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: MomwithHope
Torel certainly wasn't the reason they lost last night. The PM was pretty smug but she was an idiot - the girls' team wasn't as interested in winning as they were setting up Torel for firing. Now they don't have any excuse.

The women players always come off as such dumbasses I have to wonder if any of them can remain in real business after they are fired. I certainly wouldn't hire them. Thank goodness for Carol otherwise there would be a real impression that young, pretty women are too stupid for a business environment. I'm a big fan of Carol. I was impressed, however, with the tall black girl (can't recall her name) who stepped in to "interpret" the character while the rest of them stood there with their jaws open. She did a smooth job, even though it was bull. I like people who can think on their feet.

5 posted on 10/14/2005 3:49:17 AM PDT by meowmeow (Meow! Meow!)
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To: Huntress

Last night was the first time I've watched the Donald's Apprentice this season. I thought both of the teams Blizzard/DQ characters were awful. Both teams should have had to fire someone.

I have watched Martha's Apprentice two or three times and like the challenges presented there a lot more. I also agree as a poster mentioned above liked the fact that she went against the decision on who to send home. In her show it appears that both men and women contestants have their share of nitwits. lol


6 posted on 10/14/2005 8:26:53 AM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: Huntress

Not watching and wasn't even aware it had started again.

3 years of this nonsense was enough.


7 posted on 10/14/2005 11:37:46 AM PDT by 1L
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To: Huntress

Thank you for pinging me.

Some links for further reading/debate:

The Apprentice - Season 4
NBC's website

http://www.nbc.com/The_Apprentice_4/

Yahoo's website with excerpts and a "fantasy" game:

http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/trump/04/index.html

Blog with discussions and postings:

http://www.theapprenticeblog.com/

The Apprentice: Martha Stewart
NBC website

http://www.nbc.com/The_Apprentice:_Martha_Stewart/

Yahoo's website:

http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/martha/01/index.html

The Apprentice Blog for Martha:

http://www.theapprenticeblog.com/marthas_apprentice/

BTW, on the Yahoo site there is commentary from Bren Olswanger, the smoking lawyer dwarf (A3) and Amy Henry, the girl from A1 who was among the Final Four.

So far on Donald's, the gals have shown they don't work well together while the guys initially had problems with the overtalkative Marcus but they seem to have bonded for the time being.

On Martha's, I was shocked that two openly gay men were the first ones fired but both were the right call. Whiny Dawn finally got the axe this week and Psycho Jim is still around but has been more controlled lately since he learned he'd become a father.


8 posted on 10/14/2005 7:39:20 PM PDT by Tall_Texan ("I regret that I have but one spine to give to my party.")
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To: Huntress
Toral shares a problem many intelligent people have. She truly believes that she is better than everyone else and that everything should bow down and kiss she feet. Her conceit is a bad cover for her insecurity. If she were sure of herself she would have stepped up to become PM.

That said, the blondes came off as nasty cheerleaders when it was obvious that Toral was not going to be the mascot they became abusive.

9 posted on 10/14/2005 8:16:37 PM PDT by pbear8 (We loved Wynn Las Vegas)
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To: WestCoastGal

The best challenge I've seen so far took place on the spoof show "My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss".

They gave each of the remaining contestants a live chicken. They had until 6 p.m. to barter the chicken for whatever else they could trade up for (no money could change hands but they could trade as often as they wanted before the end of the day) and then they each went back to the boardroom where professional appraisers put a monetary value on whatever they came back with. Lowest value got fired.

I enjoyed that episode because there wasn't backstabbing or politics. It was simply a test of one's ability to talk a deal.


10 posted on 10/15/2005 8:50:32 PM PDT by Tall_Texan ("I regret that I have but one spine to give to my party.")
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To: WestCoastGal

My wife thought of a Penguin with a muffler with DQ logo, kind of like Chilly Willy (if I got the name right).


11 posted on 10/15/2005 8:57:23 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: Tall_Texan

ping


12 posted on 10/21/2005 6:51:14 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: Huntress

This ought to be a great episode. Trump will go on a firing binge. Remember they have 18 candidates for a 13-week job interview. Apparently somebody (somebodies) do such a horrible job that Trump sends a bunch of them home.


13 posted on 10/27/2005 5:54:28 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: Tall_Texan

Fired the 4 worst on the team. Ouch!!!


14 posted on 10/27/2005 6:57:42 PM PDT by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: Tatze

That WAS a surprise. I wonder how late the rest of them waited up for someone to come in the door.........


15 posted on 10/27/2005 7:17:11 PM PDT by MomwithHope
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To: Tatze

I loved the cab ride. All four of them crammed into one cab in uncomfortable silence. It would have been better if they had started bickering.


16 posted on 10/27/2005 7:51:20 PM PDT by Huntress (Possession really is nine tenths of the law.)
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To: Huntress

They did look a tad uncomfortable in that cab. I wonder if they were told not to speak. I thought he would only fire Josh and Jen. Oh well!


17 posted on 10/27/2005 10:07:22 PM PDT by pbear8 (Sorry Harriet, best wishes for the future)
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To: MomwithHope

Dang, that's right! I wonder who broke the news to them?


18 posted on 10/28/2005 12:19:46 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: pbear8

I thought it was unfair to fire Mark. He was following orders. The other three were somewhat culpable - Josh for botching the whole thing, James for the concept which proved counterproductive and Jennifer for hiring the snack vendor and not selling any radar guns ("is that what you call them?").

What shocked me is that once they re-organized, I thought Team Incompetence (the new Capital Edge) would surely be the ones to screw up big time. Other than Randal, it's a whole team of losers. Alla kept Randal and her dead-weight best friend then added Gay Clay, goof-off Markus and Adam. I still think they are a recipe for disaster.

I felt James was going far but now he's out. It's too bad Josh is gone because he was so quotable even if he wasn't a great candidate. He was great with those sidebar interviews. And losing Jennifer definitely reduces the hottie factor on the show but, face it, Miss Oregon was way out of her league.

Now they'll have to reorganize again because it is six against three. If Excel gets a choice, what do you bet they take back Randal?


19 posted on 10/28/2005 12:32:07 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: Tall_Texan
I wonder if those folks ever consider that the person you pick stands out to Trump.. Do it twice, you almost gotta wonder why they continue on - the teams have obviously picked who is the best apprentice.

Wow, seeing all those folks take that cab ride home - I had hoped on the Yahoo site they would have had Trump show up at the suite, walk in, tell everyone to shut up and sit down, and say, "Look, I axed out a bunch of losers tonight. You can either take this as an opportunity to excel without the deadwood, or you can join them. No more screw-ups - got it? Now, I'm off to the Opera."
20 posted on 10/28/2005 1:14:58 AM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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