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To: Im4LifeandLiberty

Well that's interresting because all the Pro-Life experts over the years have never contended that overturning Roe vs. Wade would significantly reduce the numbers of abortions in the country. I live in a dry county. Do you think that really reduces the number of people who live in that county to drink? Heck no, they just drive to a county that sells liquor, buy it, and either consume it there, or take it home. You think that if RvW is overturned, and most States ban abortions after the majority of their populous votes to do so, which is what would happen, that someone in a State whose people voted to ban abortion, wouldn't just drive to a state where abortion is legal, which would likely not be very far from them, or just do it in some covert abortion clinic? We're now arguing turning right vs. starboard. There are much bigger problems to the abortion issue than RvW. If RvW is overturned but no one's mind is changed, it accomplishes nothing. If minds are changed about the fact that abortion is murder, and finally most people understand that, RvW becomes unimportant whether it's overturned or not. And to do that, what is needed is prayer and constantly talking to those for the choice of death. Legislation and the Supreme Court can't accomplish what is needed to make abortion a thing of the past.


379 posted on 10/19/2005 1:32:46 PM PDT by Allen H (Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA! An informed person, is a conservative person.)
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To: Allen H

Of course the abortion issue is much bigger than Roe. The point is that we are tightly restricted in the legislative and cultural realms so long as Roe stands.
Yes, people could travel to other states to have abortions if their state banned it, but if you look at the sociological data regarding abortion "choices," people do at statistically significant rates choose against abortion where abortion is deemed inconvenient. Many women don *want* to have an abortion, and may well decline to follow through when the procedure becomes very inconvenient. My experience with women considering abortion is that many of them are desperate for an excuse to not go through with what they feel they are expected to do, and a 500-mile drive could provide just that. Many women also change their minds over the course of a waiting period. The waiting period imposed by travel could well be sufficient.
Should any of these circumstances save just one baby, it would well be worth it, and I think that there is symbolic value in making the heinous act of abortion inconvenient and difficult to execute. If one is willing to kill another person, one should be willing to inconvenience themselves with a road trip in order to do it.

"Well that's interresting because all the Pro-Life experts over the years have never contended that overturning Roe vs. Wade would significantly reduce the numbers of abortions"
~ Rule #1 of effective debate is avoidance of the word "all." Your opponent can easily prove you wrong with exceptions, rendering your argument futile and your appearance obtuse. Specifically, you are wrong in saying that no one has ever connected availability of abortion and abortion rates. If restriction made abortion more appealing, as prohibition did with alcohol, pro-lifers would fight against measures such as parental notification rather than for them. That the national abortion rate fell by 200,000 in the years after the passage of the PBA ban and legislation against the transport of minors across state lines to obtain abortions, along with an increase in state parental notification and waiting period laws, suggests a positive relationship between regulation of abortion and its frequency.

"If minds are changed about the fact that abortion is murder, and finally most people understand that, RvW becomes unimportant whether it's overturned or not. And to do that, what is needed is prayer and constantly talking to those for the choice of death."
~This is a fairly obvious point where the majority, "normal" segment of the population is concerned. There are, as I mentioned earlier, however, people who will avoid a wrong behavior simply because they don't want to face punishment or a blemished record. Illegalization of abortion will have an impact on this group of people. Generally, though, this point is moot, as you and I were discussing the legal and legislative realm, rather than the sphere of cultural practices and religious beliefs.


380 posted on 10/19/2005 7:57:46 PM PDT by Im4LifeandLiberty ("Because after all, a person's a person no matter how small")
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