Posted on 10/05/2005 6:34:28 PM PDT by Revel
Many people have not been able to get to several sites on the internet all day. Finally the reason is becoming clearer. Please see the posts below taken from the Drudge thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1497077/posts?q=1&&page=101
Sorry I don't have any articles. All I have is what has been gathered on the Thread.
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To: cgk
Hello-
I work for Level 3 and can vouch for the previous comments; we have depeered Cogent, which means that any customer or third party with Level 3, such as roadrunner, will not be able to connect to cogent websites, and vice versa.
Obviously i have a dog in the fight, but its for good reason.
105 posted on 10/05/2005 by DMinus
To: Desert_Girl
well, those questions require pretty detailed answers that i don't care to get into. suffice it to say that eventually it will be worked out by the market. for the time being, the only work around would be complex routing schemes by the carriers stuck in the middle. for those suggesting that they leave their carrier or demand that the carrier go somewhere else for service, such as roadrunner.... all i can say is that they would be shooting themselves in the foot by doing so.
as i said, i have a dog in this fight, but the best permanent solution would be for cogent to agree to a mroe equitable peering relationship and stop using other carrier's networks for a free ride, and then undercutting prices because they have no network infrastructure to pay for.
and be on the lookout; there will be lots more of this stuff coming, and not just between my company and others. this has been a brewing issue for some time now.
116 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:50 PM EDT by DMinus
Posted by tortoise to Democrat for Bush; All On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 74 of 118 ^
There is a currently a peering war going on for the Internet backbone between Cogent and Level3. What this means in practical terms is that the Internet has fragmented into smaller subnetworks depending on where you are on the broader network.
The practical consequence is that significant sections of the Internet no longer exist from the perspective of your upstream router. This is not a failure per se, it is the result of two Tier-1 network operators refusing to acknowledge the existence of the other and dumping those network routes into /dev/null.
Posted by tortoise to Phsstpok On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 75 of 118 ^
There is an open war between two Tier-1 network providers on the peering fabrics. Depending on who your upstream network is, you may or may not be able to see parts of the Internet.
It is neither a DNS problem or really even an ISP problem -- it is an intentionally created rift in the backbone by two powerful factions who decided to play a game of chicken with each other using the Internet.
Posted by tortoise to Desert_Girl On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 76 of 118 ^
I use RR and haven't been able to get to drudge all day long.
Drudge is fine, but there is a war on the peering fabrics between major networks that has turned ugly. Depending on the details of your connection, you may not be able to get to Drudge even if his site is up. The effect of this problem is that parts of the Internet no longer exist as far as your router is concerned, which may include Drudge's site.
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FROM GOOGLE:
Re: cogent and level3 From: Richard A Steenbergen Date: Wed Sep 14 15:09:13 2005 On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:41:32PM -0400, Joseph Nuara wrote: Does anyone know what the story is with Cogent and L3? I noticed that my Cogent site (IN NY) is using a path to one of my providers (IN NJ) via asia as opposed to the local and preferred L3 peer. After several days I was finally told that L3 and Cogent are working through some peering negotiations and cogent is moving traffic off their L3 peer in anticipation of a depeering (I guess they are trying to avoid the whole France Telecom thing that happend last time). Does anyone have a better clue as to what is going on and where the negotiations stand?
Unoffical sources say that Level 3 sent a depeering notice to Cogent a month ago, for a disconnection on either the 15th or the 16th of September. Based on the fact that Cogent is offering 0 commit ports to any Level 3 customers they can find (at 50% of their L3 pricing), it looks like they're preparing to shift as much traffic off as possible, and put the rest on transit. With any luck (if you're a Cogent or L3 customer at any rate) they won't be blackholing each other. Guess we'll find out this week. :) As for the path through Asia, sounds broken, send the traceroute to customer support and tell them to get it fixed. Richard A Steenbergen
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:NOS3HJhX9jcJ:www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg11606.html+Cogent+and+Level3&hl=en
That's not what I hear.
Too bad Freereb isn't still posting; he'd be attacking you now.
I hate it when people post articles written in ancient Sumerian and expect the rest of us to understand.
Ha! You should listen to shortwave more often. I knew this was coming. I'm all stocked up on MREs, Silver-water, tin foil and my new cogenterator is humming along quite nicely.
Gotta go out now and look for contrails....
-->That's not what I hear.<--
You've been listening at the wrong keyhole!! :-)
I know there are a bunch of freepers who talk Sumerian.
I know sorta what a backbone is, sort of an internet freeway, but have no clue how many, who they are and where they're "located".
Is there a web site where we can get a crash course in internet "workings"? Sort of a Complete guide to the Internet for Dummies?
RR is on Level 3, so is Time Warner....
I'm currently a Level 3 partner on their MPLS backbone for VoIP traffic.....
NeverGore :^)
LOL- probably- but I don't know! I noticed so many problems with my accessibility today I called my geek friend who blamed it on voodoo ghosts let loose in NOLA:)
C:\ping l3.com
Pinging l3.com [209.245.19.41] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 209.245.19.41: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=120
Reply from 209.245.19.41: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=120
Reply from 209.245.19.41: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=120
Reply from 209.245.19.41: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=120
Ping statistics for 209.245.19.41:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 51ms, Maximum = 52ms, Average = 51ms
C:\tracert l3.com
Tracing route to l3.com [209.245.19.41] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms dslrouter [192.168.1.1]
2 21 ms 21 ms 19 ms lcrsalcobr5.lcrswicoro1.(obscured) [(obscured)]
3 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms j2-rt.lax.(obscured) [(obscured)]
4 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms so-6-1.core1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.79.68.9]
5 28 ms 27 ms 26 ms ae-1-51.bbr1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.101.1]
6 49 ms 49 ms 50 ms as-0-0.bbr2.Denver1.Level3.net [64.159.4.226]
7 49 ms 53 ms 53 ms 4.68.113.54
8 52 ms 53 ms 51 ms se3-0.public1.Broomfield1.Level3.net [209.245.16 .18]
9 52 ms 52 ms 51 ms Level3.com [209.245.19.41]
Trace complete.
C:\>ping cogentco.com
Ping request could not find host cogentco.com. Please check the name and try again.
C:\> tracert cogentco.com
Unable to resolve target system name cogentco.com.
L3.com splashpage comes up fine, congento.com retieves: "The page cannot be displayed The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings."
It sounds like it will come back peice by peice. I can get drug now, but I still can't get photobucket among others.
Remember when they said the internet could not be broken.
On a completely unrelated note, rescind Miers and nominate Janice Rogers-Brown for supreme court.
Drudge is gone again. It looks like this could go on and on.
2 P6-5.LCR-01.WASHDC.verizon-gni.net [130.81.32.68 3 130.81.10.90 4 so-2-1-0-0.gar3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.79.1925] 5 ae-2-54.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.121.97 6 ae-0-0.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.1.130] 7 ae-21-56.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.175] 8 4.79.216.76 9 64.200.21.124.svwh.net [64.200.21.124] 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 65.77.135.50.svwh.net [65.77.135.50] 12 gw2.sv1.centralhost.com [65.77.130.249] 13 65.77.130.210.ha-hosting.com [65.77.130.210]
2 P6-5.LCR-01.WASHDC.verizon-gni.net [130.81.32.68
3 130.81.10.90
4 so-2-1-0-0.gar3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.79.1925]
5 ae-2-54.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.121.97
6 ae-0-0.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.1.130]
7 ae-21-56.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.175]
8 4.79.216.76
9 64.200.21.124.svwh.net [64.200.21.124]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 65.77.135.50.svwh.net [65.77.135.50]
12 gw2.sv1.centralhost.com [65.77.130.249]
13 65.77.130.210.ha-hosting.com [65.77.130.210]
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