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THE NET IS SPLIT(Many people cut off from websites)
10/05/05 | various

Posted on 10/05/2005 6:34:28 PM PDT by Revel

Many people have not been able to get to several sites on the internet all day. Finally the reason is becoming clearer. Please see the posts below taken from the Drudge thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1497077/posts?q=1&&page=101

Sorry I don't have any articles. All I have is what has been gathered on the Thread.

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To: cgk

Hello-

I work for Level 3 and can vouch for the previous comments; we have depeered Cogent, which means that any customer or third party with Level 3, such as roadrunner, will not be able to connect to cogent websites, and vice versa.

Obviously i have a dog in the fight, but its for good reason.

105 posted on 10/05/2005 by DMinus

To: Desert_Girl

well, those questions require pretty detailed answers that i don't care to get into. suffice it to say that eventually it will be worked out by the market. for the time being, the only work around would be complex routing schemes by the carriers stuck in the middle. for those suggesting that they leave their carrier or demand that the carrier go somewhere else for service, such as roadrunner.... all i can say is that they would be shooting themselves in the foot by doing so.

as i said, i have a dog in this fight, but the best permanent solution would be for cogent to agree to a mroe equitable peering relationship and stop using other carrier's networks for a free ride, and then undercutting prices because they have no network infrastructure to pay for.

and be on the lookout; there will be lots more of this stuff coming, and not just between my company and others. this has been a brewing issue for some time now.

116 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:50 PM EDT by DMinus

Posted by tortoise to Democrat for Bush; All On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 74 of 118 ^

There is a currently a peering war going on for the Internet backbone between Cogent and Level3. What this means in practical terms is that the Internet has fragmented into smaller subnetworks depending on where you are on the broader network.

The practical consequence is that significant sections of the Internet no longer exist from the perspective of your upstream router. This is not a failure per se, it is the result of two Tier-1 network operators refusing to acknowledge the existence of the other and dumping those network routes into /dev/null.

Posted by tortoise to Phsstpok On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 75 of 118 ^

There is an open war between two Tier-1 network providers on the peering fabrics. Depending on who your upstream network is, you may or may not be able to see parts of the Internet.

It is neither a DNS problem or really even an ISP problem -- it is an intentionally created rift in the backbone by two powerful factions who decided to play a game of chicken with each other using the Internet.

Posted by tortoise to Desert_Girl On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 76 of 118 ^

I use RR and haven't been able to get to drudge all day long.

Drudge is fine, but there is a war on the peering fabrics between major networks that has turned ugly. Depending on the details of your connection, you may not be able to get to Drudge even if his site is up. The effect of this problem is that parts of the Internet no longer exist as far as your router is concerned, which may include Drudge's site.

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FROM GOOGLE:

Re: cogent and level3 From: Richard A Steenbergen Date: Wed Sep 14 15:09:13 2005 On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:41:32PM -0400, Joseph Nuara wrote: Does anyone know what the story is with Cogent and L3? I noticed that my Cogent site (IN NY) is using a path to one of my providers (IN NJ) via asia as opposed to the local and preferred L3 peer. After several days I was finally told that L3 and Cogent are working through some peering negotiations and cogent is moving traffic off their L3 peer in anticipation of a depeering (I guess they are trying to avoid the whole France Telecom thing that happend last time). Does anyone have a better clue as to what is going on and where the negotiations stand?

Unoffical sources say that Level 3 sent a depeering notice to Cogent a month ago, for a disconnection on either the 15th or the 16th of September. Based on the fact that Cogent is offering 0 commit ports to any Level 3 customers they can find (at 50% of their L3 pricing), it looks like they're preparing to shift as much traffic off as possible, and put the rest on transit. With any luck (if you're a Cogent or L3 customer at any rate) they won't be blackholing each other. Guess we'll find out this week. :) As for the path through Asia, sounds broken, send the traceroute to customer support and tell them to get it fixed. Richard A Steenbergen

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:NOS3HJhX9jcJ:www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg11606.html+Cogent+and+Level3&hl=en


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To: tfecw
I can understand that!
Thank you.
41 posted on 10/05/2005 7:13:17 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: LADY J
"Drudge won't open for me."

That's not what I hear.

42 posted on 10/05/2005 7:14:40 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Larry Lucido
"The northern domains are raising a militia to retake the southern domains, starting with the one located at Fort Sumter."

Too bad Freereb isn't still posting; he'd be attacking you now.

43 posted on 10/05/2005 7:16:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: tfecw
Your explanation is so clear!

I hate it when people post articles written in ancient Sumerian and expect the rest of us to understand.

44 posted on 10/05/2005 7:16:28 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Bummer. I'm almost out of cogentness. Now what am I gonna do?

Ha! You should listen to shortwave more often. I knew this was coming. I'm all stocked up on MREs, Silver-water, tin foil and my new cogenterator is humming along quite nicely.

Gotta go out now and look for contrails....

45 posted on 10/05/2005 7:16:42 PM PDT by OSHA (I've got a hole in my head too, but that's beside the point.)
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To: exDemMom

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497398/posts


46 posted on 10/05/2005 7:17:35 PM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: billorites
"Drudge won't open for me."

-->That's not what I hear.<--

You've been listening at the wrong keyhole!! :-)

47 posted on 10/05/2005 7:18:53 PM PDT by LADY J
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To: SE Mom
Two major Internet backbone companies are feuding, potentially ...

I know there are a bunch of freepers who talk Sumerian.
I know sorta what a backbone is, sort of an internet freeway, but have no clue how many, who they are and where they're "located".
Is there a web site where we can get a crash course in internet "workings"? Sort of a Complete guide to the Internet for Dummies?

48 posted on 10/05/2005 7:23:42 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Revel

RR is on Level 3, so is Time Warner....

I'm currently a Level 3 partner on their MPLS backbone for VoIP traffic.....

NeverGore :^)


49 posted on 10/05/2005 7:26:28 PM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: Publius6961

LOL- probably- but I don't know! I noticed so many problems with my accessibility today I called my geek friend who blamed it on voodoo ghosts let loose in NOLA:)


50 posted on 10/05/2005 7:34:38 PM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: Revel
Still broke as of 22:15 CST, from Northwest WI:

C:\ping l3.com

Pinging l3.com [209.245.19.41] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 209.245.19.41: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=120

Reply from 209.245.19.41: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=120

Reply from 209.245.19.41: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=120

Reply from 209.245.19.41: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=120

Ping statistics for 209.245.19.41:

Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

Minimum = 51ms, Maximum = 52ms, Average = 51ms

C:\tracert l3.com

Tracing route to l3.com [209.245.19.41] over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms dslrouter [192.168.1.1]

2 21 ms 21 ms 19 ms lcrsalcobr5.lcrswicoro1.(obscured) [(obscured)]

3 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms j2-rt.lax.(obscured) [(obscured)]

4 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms so-6-1.core1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.79.68.9]

5 28 ms 27 ms 26 ms ae-1-51.bbr1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.101.1]

6 49 ms 49 ms 50 ms as-0-0.bbr2.Denver1.Level3.net [64.159.4.226]

7 49 ms 53 ms 53 ms 4.68.113.54

8 52 ms 53 ms 51 ms se3-0.public1.Broomfield1.Level3.net [209.245.16 .18]

9 52 ms 52 ms 51 ms Level3.com [209.245.19.41]

Trace complete.

C:\>ping cogentco.com

Ping request could not find host cogentco.com. Please check the name and try again.

C:\> tracert cogentco.com

Unable to resolve target system name cogentco.com.

L3.com splashpage comes up fine, congento.com retieves:

"The page cannot be displayed

The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings."

51 posted on 10/05/2005 8:14:43 PM PDT by timberlandko (Murphy was an optimist.)
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To: timberlandko

It sounds like it will come back peice by peice. I can get drug now, but I still can't get photobucket among others.


52 posted on 10/05/2005 8:28:20 PM PDT by Revel
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To: timberlandko

Remember when they said the internet could not be broken.


53 posted on 10/05/2005 8:39:38 PM PDT by Revel
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To: All
Is it me, or was the president ahead of the game when he mentioned the internets in the debate? I want an apology from all who mocked him for it.

On a completely unrelated note, rescind Miers and nominate Janice Rogers-Brown for supreme court.

54 posted on 10/05/2005 9:31:04 PM PDT by motohockey (Allen in 2008)
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To: motohockey

Drudge is gone again. It looks like this could go on and on.


55 posted on 10/05/2005 11:20:54 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Revel
I am not having any trouble reaching drudgereport.com. I am on Verizon's fiber network and have had trouble with only a few sites.
Here is a trace from my network. As you can see the traceroute goes on level 3's network. Cogent is going to have to cave in and pay for their usage to solve your problems.

2 P6-5.LCR-01.WASHDC.verizon-gni.net [130.81.32.68 3 130.81.10.90 4 so-2-1-0-0.gar3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.79.1925] 5 ae-2-54.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.121.97 6 ae-0-0.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.1.130] 7 ae-21-56.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.175] 8 4.79.216.76 9 64.200.21.124.svwh.net [64.200.21.124] 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 65.77.135.50.svwh.net [65.77.135.50] 12 gw2.sv1.centralhost.com [65.77.130.249] 13 65.77.130.210.ha-hosting.com [65.77.130.210]

56 posted on 10/06/2005 12:37:28 AM PDT by motohockey (Allen in 2008)
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To: motohockey
cleaned up formatting

2 P6-5.LCR-01.WASHDC.verizon-gni.net [130.81.32.68
3 130.81.10.90
4 so-2-1-0-0.gar3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.79.1925]
5 ae-2-54.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.121.97
6 ae-0-0.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.1.130]
7 ae-21-56.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.175]
8 4.79.216.76
9 64.200.21.124.svwh.net [64.200.21.124]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 65.77.135.50.svwh.net [65.77.135.50]
12 gw2.sv1.centralhost.com [65.77.130.249]
13 65.77.130.210.ha-hosting.com [65.77.130.210]

57 posted on 10/06/2005 12:48:26 AM PDT by motohockey (Allen in 2008)
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