[gomaaa]

There are big questions in cosmology and particle physics about the big bang and black holes. For very good reasons, these issues are at the frontiers of the field of physics. However, you seem to be saying that simply because we do not know everything about such things, we therefore must know nothing.

There is A LOT that we DO know about the universe. We know that at one time all the matter in the universe must have been concentrated in the same place. The physics of what exactly happened at that moment are not fully known, but that's half the fun of it.

I have a good buddy working at RHIC on Long Island where they are trying (with some success, depending on who you ask) to recreate a state of matter that the entire universe likely was composed of at some point immediately after the "beginnning". They do NOT know EVERYTHING that happened at that moment, but every day they learn something new. Every day they try to push the boundaries back a little farther. It is true that we don't know what happened before the big bang. But trying to claim that the whole idea is bunk because of that puts you on thin ice.

Scientists DON'T know everything, but we can talk with a great deal of certainty about many things. The strength of the scientific method lies not just in finding evidence for what we do know, but defining limits on what we don't know. The problems you describe are just the sort of thing that we love to sink our teeth into, not examples that question the validity of all previous work done in that field of research.

[Williams]

I didn't question the validity of scientuific work. I'm extremely interested in the science you are discussing. But here the discussion is whether there is some intelligent design behind the universe, or can science prove it is all random. At that point, science is not even close to disproving the existence of a designing force behind the universe. Yet many of the scientists are deeply committed to randomness and the conviction there is no God. They feel strongly that science eliminates the possibility. On that they are deeply mistaken.

And just to tweak the scientists a little further, every once in a while their measurements throw them a curve ball, so the very foundations of their theories shake just a bit. Was there a big bang for sure? Are the galaxies moving away from one another at the right speed? Why do some very distant objects not show the correct red shift, when they should be incredibly far away? Etc. even the big bang, the expanding universe, etc. may not be the answers 200 years from now.

So the scientists are awfully presumptuous when they think they have disproven God.