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Let's take back our party
9/21/2005 | John Rossomando

Posted on 09/21/2005 6:08:15 PM PDT by JohnRoss

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To: JohnRoss

Become a free thinking conservative, not a republican follower.


41 posted on 09/21/2005 7:03:12 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: bkepley

Saddam was a choirboy compared to the mullahs.


42 posted on 09/21/2005 7:04:29 PM PDT by JohnRoss
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Saddam was a choirboy compared to the mullahs.

Care to back that up with facts?

43 posted on 09/21/2005 7:05:46 PM PDT by bkepley
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Another thing. To ignore the lessons of history is to repeat its mistakes.

Hamas never attacked the United States, so it would have made more sense for the Mossad asassins to have dealt with Saddam and his sons.

It should have been Iran, then Iraq, Syria, etc.


44 posted on 09/21/2005 7:10:34 PM PDT by JohnRoss
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Yet, the president started an adventerous war in Iraq on the idealistic notion of recreating Iraq in our image: nation building, in other words.

Since when was the goal to recreate Iraq in our image?

Sure Saddam was a butcher, a tyrant and all of the above, but in the war on terror he was a second-rate player.

Why was he second rate, and who do you consider first rate?

The war in Iraq is also unconstitutional as were the wars in Korea and Vietnam because Congress has the constitutional power to declare war.

Unconstitutional? "Regime Change" in Iraq had been national policy since 1998, despite the DNC's short-term memory. That and the post 9/11 Congressional authority given to Bush by Congress allowed him to implement it, until the 2004 Presidential Election when it became the "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time." (har har) Did I mention the flouting of 17 UNSC resolutions by Saddam and violation of his own cease fire? We could monday morning quarterback how the war has been conducted, but we're there now and have to win.

We had far more cause to declare war on Iran, which has served as the terrorist kingdom since 1979: especially because Iran has given safe harbor to Al-Qaeda's top brass.

And you think Congress would have declared war on Iran instead - why?

I'm no Bush-bot, but your Iraq argument is low on most conservative Bush critics' totem pole. A better critique would be immigration/borders, not pressing for energy independence, not fighting the war on terror to win, and not mobilizing the country for a long-term war. TROP speeches, asking us to go shopping, and failure to call our enemy by it's name "Islamo Facism" are not inspiring in a time of war. BTW, are we at war?

45 posted on 09/21/2005 7:12:07 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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Candid observations are not ad hominem arguments by any stretch of the imagination Skippy.

-Here on F.R. you really are at the end of the Bell Curve, (numbers being what they are) -and frankly, it sounded to me like you could use a nap.

I'm sorry, for the snarky comment, here, -this will make you feel better kitten, I promise...
MreEoOW!!

46 posted on 09/21/2005 7:13:33 PM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: bkepley

How about Hezbullah, how about Iran's open harboring of Al-Qaeda's leadership, how about the bombing of our embassy in Beirut, etc. Iran has been the locus of international terrorism since 1979.

Knock out Iran, you bring the whole terror infrastructure down.

To think otherwise is shear ignorance in my opinion.


47 posted on 09/21/2005 7:13:49 PM PDT by JohnRoss
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I disagree. Iran was not attacking other countries and the Iranian people are probably the most pro-American of any middle east country save Israel.


48 posted on 09/21/2005 7:14:27 PM PDT by bkepley
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Having siezed Tehran with help from Iranian students who hate the mullahs would have done a far better job at that.

Look at the map and kindly explain how logistically we could have seized Tehran with ground troops.

Remember Afganistan and Pakistan could not be considered realistic staging areas.
Sea or paratrooper landing is of course a possibility but much more difficult compounded by a sworn enemy,Sadaam on the border.

49 posted on 09/21/2005 7:15:40 PM PDT by carlr
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Iran is exactly the wrong country to attack and that is my opinion. You still haven't stated how "the mullahs" crimes make Saddam look like a choirboy which is ridiculous. Shall we compare numbers?


50 posted on 09/21/2005 7:17:44 PM PDT by bkepley
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Who are those A-list conservatives who want to make a rebellion against President Bush? Buchanan?! Why you do not just go and form your own Absolute conservative party?


51 posted on 09/21/2005 7:23:23 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: JohnRoss

Say hello to President Perot and Buchanan.
Oh, waite, make that Pres. Carter and Clinton.
That is what your kind gave us.

A few things happened ie 9/11 etc.
Life is real and you have to deal with what happens at
the time. If you want everything 100% your way,
you have not lived in the real world.


52 posted on 09/21/2005 7:29:27 PM PDT by SoCalPol (More Died At Chappaquiddic than Guantanamo)
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To: carlr
Remember Afganistan and Pakistan could not be considered realistic staging areas. Sea or paratrooper landing is of course a possibility but much more difficult compounded by a sworn enemy,Sadaam on the border.

Not to mention the fact that the country has a large, relatively sophisticated and young population which is anti-mullah. Given enough time it will rot from the core. Going to war there unless there is no other choice is insanity.

53 posted on 09/21/2005 7:30:13 PM PDT by bkepley
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I have posted that he has to be the President of all of the people on here so much I am sure people are sick of it, but it is just true. I hated when Clinton made it known he hated the rest of us. That is not a President of the USA! That is a partisan hack.

I just read Peggy Noonans book on Reagan, the first one, What I saw at the Revolution or something like that. He did so many things that weren't "conservative."
54 posted on 09/21/2005 7:32:48 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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"Hardly, you don't understand Arab culture. I do, having lived among them. They don't take kindly to foreigners imposing governments upon them, whether they be Ottoman, British or American. Also, Iraq is an artificial country that only held together because of Saddam's tyranny. The Brits couldn't control it in the 1920s.

This much is true enough to be sure, but I can assure you that -you- are not the -only- one in this thread with an understanding of Arab Culture and has lived among the Arab people, so let's just toss that herring away.
-Piss poor Bona Fides to begin with, non-sequiter. Besides what strategic blow did the invasion of Iraq give to global terror. To not acknowledge the number dedicated Jihadists, to not acknowledge that Saddam no longer finds suicide bombings, to not acknowledge the killers we've dispatched and locked down paints you as an indolent, nattering, nabob.

Conservative my eye.

Having siezed Tehran with help from Iranian students who hate the mullahs would have done a far better job at that.

You got that "word for word" from Michael Moore's blog. Didn't ya Troll-boi?

I think the war in Iraq has been nothing but naive stupidity.

Go hang out Huffington Post Zottikens...
I'm done with ya. P.S. Seized, not "Siezed" Mr. Chomsky...

HTH

-Cap'n TrVth

55 posted on 09/21/2005 7:33:04 PM PDT by Capn TrVth
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They are both evil terrorists regimes. Saddam gave 20 thousand dollar for each Palestinian suicide terrorist family who killed Israelis. Al Zarqawi established his terrorists network in Iraq to fight us months before the war started under the protection of Saddam.
56 posted on 09/21/2005 7:33:13 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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All islamic terrorists are our mortal enemies and to classify them as who is less or more dangerous to us is really stupid.
57 posted on 09/21/2005 7:35:06 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: Capn TrVth
feel better kitten

Wow. That's...like...mesmerizing...

58 posted on 09/21/2005 7:45:56 PM PDT by SquirrelKing (I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.)
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Wow. That's...like...mesmerizing...

No kidding! I just have to let it run and run... Of course you know that's gotta be Buddy Rich!

59 posted on 09/21/2005 7:47:15 PM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: jveritas

Paul Weyrich


60 posted on 09/21/2005 7:48:42 PM PDT by JohnRoss
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