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FR Baseball thread..w/e 9/11..Close to crunch time; NL MVP?; Will we see another epic collapse?
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Posted on 09/12/2005 7:28:05 AM PDT by ken5050

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To: dubyaismypresident; Petronski

actually, only a few games separate Boston and LAA..you could come down to the final weekend wher all four playoff teams have been decided, but what they're "playing" for, or not, is seeding..who plays who....


41 posted on 09/12/2005 8:58:06 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050

Yeah, they're only separated by a few games, but Boston is better...much more formidable in my estimation.


42 posted on 09/12/2005 8:59:58 AM PDT by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: ken5050

Oh, btw, in your scenario, I'd play my staff trying to win the pennant. Definitely.


43 posted on 09/12/2005 9:01:30 AM PDT by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: ken5050; SCALEMAN
as one who doesn't follow the Cards individual stats very closely, except for Reollen, I wasn't really aware they had so many major injuries..can you list a few of them..

The following starters--four of the eight--have missed large numbers of games due to injury:

3b Rolen
LF Sanders
RF Walker
C Molina

That's half the lineup, and the first three are power guys.

Now 2b Grudz is missing some games, too.

they ran away and hid..wire to wire..everyone has the sense that it was an easy race..which perception hurts Albert.

Yes, and I think that is very unfair.

44 posted on 09/12/2005 9:03:08 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (St. Louis)
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To: Charles Henrickson

3b Rolen out May 10 - June 18 July 21 -- season
LF Sanders out since July 16th
RF Walker on and off since May
C Molina out from July 8th - Aug 18th

45 posted on 09/12/2005 9:49:56 AM PDT by SCALEMAN (Pelosi is as empty as an Amish Phone Directory)
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To: ken5050

Try and win it?..or rest your staff? any preference whom you'd like to face in the first round?

Try and win, you owe it to the fans who pay good money for the seats. But if you are thinking about manipulating it, you first have to look at records as it effects home field. Second criteria would be the pitching staff of potential opponents and who you match up with the best.

46 posted on 09/12/2005 9:56:10 AM PDT by SCALEMAN (Pelosi is as empty as an Amish Phone Directory)
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To: SCALEMAN

Is resting your staff, giving key players a day's rest.."manipulating?" in the scenario I described, where ALL foou teams have already made the playoffs..not sure?


47 posted on 09/12/2005 9:57:51 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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Is resting your staff, giving key players a day's rest.."manipulating?" in the scenario I described, where ALL four teams have already made the playoffs..not sure?


48 posted on 09/12/2005 9:57:59 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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Is resting your staff, giving key players a day's rest.."manipulating?" in the scenario I described, where ALL foou teams have already made the playoffs..not sure?

IMO if your team has a chance to win the division, 'resting' players is cheating the fans. In manipulation, the manager would decide to 'rest' players knowing that the probability of a loss is very high, and the results of the loss would be a more favorable play off position. I don't say that it has happened, but it could.

49 posted on 09/12/2005 10:08:44 AM PDT by SCALEMAN (Pelosi is as empty as an Amish Phone Directory)
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Based on seeing TLR over the years..say the Cards wrap it up by the weekend..which seems likely...do you expect him to play all his starters...or start resting them..limit the pitchers to 5 innings...if he does it for every remaining game, he's not going in the tank...


50 posted on 09/12/2005 10:11:51 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050
1999 isn't a valid example re Pedro, IMHO, simply because there are an number of voters who will NOT chose a pitcher for the MVP

That's the point I was making. It's chosen by group of opinionated idiots who set their own criteria.

51 posted on 09/12/2005 10:18:09 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (I'm marrying a woman before they make gay marriage mandatory!)
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To: Petronski

Then you will want no part of the Yankees either. Both teams will grind down your pitching staffs and will out hit you.

If the Yanks have the lead in a close game in the 9th...

Enter the Sandman


52 posted on 09/12/2005 10:18:16 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: JohnnyZ

OK...got it now..BTW..right now..what are your pics for the 8 playoff slots..


53 posted on 09/12/2005 10:22:43 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Of the others who were in, Eck and Grudz are not big boppers

I propose a permanent ban on referring to David Eckstein as 'Eck'.


54 posted on 09/12/2005 10:23:55 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (I'm marrying a woman before they make gay marriage mandatory!)
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The following starters--four of the eight--have missed large numbers of games due to injury: 3b Rolen LF Sanders RF Walker

Some of those you can't really factor in though. It's like Juan Gonzalez or Kevin Brown or Griffey being injured. You have to assume old folks and injury-prone players are likely to miss games from day one. Rolen, I'm not so sure if he's injury-prone or just had a couple of bad breaks.

55 posted on 09/12/2005 10:30:01 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (I'm marrying a woman before they make gay marriage mandatory!)
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To: ken5050

Based on seeing TLR over the years..say the Cards wrap it up by the weekend..which seems likely...do you expect him to play all his starters...or start resting them..limit the pitchers to 5 innings...if he does it for every remaining game, he's not going in the tank.

Tony's motto is 'play a hard nine'. He will rest players but it will be situational. He has already sorta started with Carp. He pulled him after 97 pitches the other day, even though he wasn't in trouble and looked good. I would expect to see Albert get some innings off if not whole games, but this is a BASEBALL TOWN and the fans want to see their players. Walker will get a cortizone shot probably the last week of the season. That will turn him back into the .300+ hitter he really is. I would expect Molina to get some rest. You won't see situations where a game is played by 'call ups' from AAA and AA though.

Its likely that they will clinch on the road and thats a bummer.

56 posted on 09/12/2005 10:30:11 AM PDT by SCALEMAN (Pelosi is as empty as an Amish Phone Directory)
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To: misterrob
Oh good. Trash talk. I love trashtalk. </Sarcasm>
57 posted on 09/12/2005 10:31:21 AM PDT by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: ken5050
right now..what are your pics for the 8 playoff slots..

I'll stick with the folks in the division lead right now, Tribe for AL WC (similar to Red Sox, solid starting pitching and good offense -- Sox have better O, Tribe better 'pen so far), and ... I'll have to think about NL WC.

58 posted on 09/12/2005 10:37:07 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (I'm marrying a woman before they make gay marriage mandatory!)
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To: misterrob; Petronski
If the Yanks have the lead in a close game in the 9th... Enter the Sandman

Amazing statistic: Mariano Rivera has never blown a save in the postseason. He's automatic!

Right?

59 posted on 09/12/2005 10:43:32 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (I'm marrying a woman before they make gay marriage mandatory!)
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Some of those you can't really factor in though. It's like Juan Gonzalez or Kevin Brown or Griffey being injured. You have to assume old folks and injury-prone players are likely to miss games from day one. Rolen, I'm not so sure if he's injury-prone or just had a couple of bad breaks

These weren't 'dings' that 'old folks' get. Molina suffered a fractured hand (not an old folk). Sanders a broken leg. The only one in that category would be Walker and his neck problems.

60 posted on 09/12/2005 10:43:38 AM PDT by SCALEMAN (Pelosi is as empty as an Amish Phone Directory)
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