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I guess this disproves the old claim that "the police and military would never enforce a rule to take our guns away!".

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JPFO is a great organization, so's GOA. Still waiting for NRA's lawyers to get down to NOLA and start filing lawsuits...

It's gunna git ugly if govment knocks on my door to take what I own. That is all I have to say.

All gun rights organizations from coast to coast and all law-abiding firearms owners need to spread the word about the violation of the Bill of Rights that is being perpetrated in New Orleans. Everyone should know that this travesty is occurring in a state that has a DEMOCRAT governor and in a city that has a DEMOCRAT mayor.

The Democrats have been trying to make it look like they're getting on the right side of the gun rights issue, because they know their anti-gun stance consistently costs them elections. We need to let them know that they have literally shot themselves in the foot.

I do not believe that any public official in Mississippi, Republican or Democrat, black or white, would allow confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens along the Gulf Coast. They know better.

Where have the Jackboots gone?!?!?!?

I received the following in an email and it was un-attributed. I have no idea whom the author is, I would love to have attributed it to them with praise. I have found it so point on, I felt it needed to be dispersed widely and here on FR is a good start.

One man's opinion... AUTHOR UNKNOWN.

School of Hard Knocks

If people haven't been learning the lessons from Katrina that they
absolutely need to learn, then they haven't been paying attention.

1. On Friday evening the National Weather Service predicted the path of the storm heading towards New Orleans. By Saturday morning, it was clear that the storm was growing in strength and it was suggested that people begin evacuating.

2. By Saturday afternoon it was clear that Katrina was growing in strength. The Mayor of New Orleans appeared on TV weepy and sad, expressing concern about what could happen in New Orleans.

3. Sunday morning it was obvious that the storm would hit as a Category 4 or 5.

4. On Sunday the Governor of Louisiana was crying and worried about the state and asked the rest of us to pray for Louisiana.

5. Sunday at 2:00 pm a mandatory evacuation was ordered.

Now let's look at what has happened so far and what we know after the fact:

1. 10% of New Orleans was below the poverty level. It would have been obvious (and was obvious) that these people had no means to leave the city by themselves.

2. Not a single hospital, faced with mandatory evacuation orders, was moved. We've not heard of a SINGLE airlift of patients out of hospitals in the direct path of the storm, moved to areas outside of the impact zone.

3. Not a single school, public, or charter bus left the city carrying people unable to find the means of leaving on their own.

What should happen now:

1. There are hundreds of buses and cars under water in New Orleans and elsewhere in the regions. The Mayor of New Orleans should be brought up on criminal negligence charges for failing to act and refusing assistance until literally after the storm passed and the levees failed.

2. The people should understand that you NEVER elect a sympathetic social worker type to public office. If an individual hasn't served in the military or in an equivalent capacity of managing huge infrastructures and people, they have no business running a government.

3. The Governor of Louisiana should be brought up on criminal negligence charges--she did not call up the National Guard, order a single evacuation plan, or organize shelters until AFTER the disaster hit. She, a babbling idiot, should spend the rest of her days behind bars, watching the death and destruction on a continuous loop in her jail cell.

What people should have learned by now:

When the government says "leave" you LEAVE! You have ready: 3 days of water and food, a "grab and go" bag that contains clothing, toiletries, and cash to get you where you will be safe. If it takes you more than 15 minutes to evacuate, you're doing it wrong and are not sufficiently prepared. If you have more time, you should be able to evacuate with three weeks of supplies.

Every person in your family over the age of about 12 should be trained in the use of firearms. If you live in an area that doesn't allow you to own firearms, MOVE. You should have in your possession a weapon for every member of the family. That includes arming your 12 year old daughter. Because SHE may become separated from you and will need the means of defending herself.

You must have an evacuation plan. Discuss with family every possible need to evacuate--what conditions might require you to leave. Plan the routes, what you'll take, a location to meet up if you are separated, etc. etc.

Do not leave your neighborhood with an empty seat in your car or truck. Make sure you have filled that seat with one of your neighbors. Be prepared to take care of yourself for AT LEAST 3 days.

Expect civil unrest and looting. If you value your property more than the lives of your family, YOU WILL DIE. I repeat: IF YOU VALUE YOUR PROPERTY AND POSSESSIONS MORE THAN YOUR LIFE OR THE LIFE OF YOUR LOVED ONES, YOU WILL DIE.

The Federal Government is not going to be able to help you. As with ALL law enforcement matters and catastrophes, they only come for the clean up. They are not going to help you until AFTER the catastrophe has occurred.

If I hear one more person making a statement that begins with "The President of the United States should..." I am going to punch him in the nose, kick him where it hurts, or knock them over the head with a mallet. This is NOT a Federal matter. There is no way that anyone is capable of doing anything for AT LEAST three days, more likely three weeks.

The Federal Government is not the authority in charge here. The STATE and LOCAL governments are in charge. If the people you've been electing to PROTECT AND SERVE you in your local and state are bureaucrats with no leadership, management, or disaster experience, knowing how to do nothing more than write welfare checks, you are seriously screwed. MOVE.

Looters or anyone stepping outside of civilized behavior should be shot on site--no malice, no concern. You're eradicating pests. Society will be better off without them and the neighborhoods and decent people of the world safer. I'm not talking about someone who is only stealing food or clothing. I'm talking about those taking TVs and other nonessentials. This looting didn't occur when the Mississippi Valley flooded. Civilized people, without prodding and babysitting from government, form distribution networks to equitably distribute food and clothing from the remaining supplies. Civilized human beings DO NOT loot.

You have only one ally in such a disaster: YOU. You are responsible for the health and safety of your family. The looters and thugs of the world WILL crawl from the cracks of society and will prey on you and your neighbors.

This has happened in EVERY SINGLE catastrophe. If you are not prepared! for this, YOU WILL DIE.

Not a single event of this catastrophe is a surprise, with the exception of the extent of the incompetence of the local leadership.

AUTHOR UNKNOWN

Forwarded message

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 00:39:45 EDT
Subject: Actual 29 Palms Questionnaire

Friends,

We have had an enormous number of requests for information on the
29 Palms questionnaire. One of our number just faxed me the
actual questionnaire, and a letter that came with it from the
young Marine who purloined it. The article referred to in his
letter is not included in my report. Here are his words:

5-15-94
My name is --- and I am currently serving in the U.S. Marine
Corps. I am not a JBS member but I have read several books put
out by them and I read back issues of The New American. Enclosed
is a survey given to myself and other Marines from different
units on base that had participated in either Operations "Just
Cause", "Desert Storm", or "Restore Hope". A Navy Commander came
before us and said he was working on his Masters degree and he
was writing a paper about giving up our military's soverenty
(sic) to the United Nations Secretary General.

Needless to say, I was shocked. I marked all of the questions
"Strongly disagree", and turned in the survey. The Marine next
to me just happened to accidently (sic) grab two surveys as they
were being passed out. He agreed to give it to me. This is no
Fabrication. This survey was given to us on May 10th at Twenty-
Nine Palms Marine Corps base in California. Also enclosed is an
article from the base weekly newspaper from March of this year.
I hope the survey can be of some use to you. Please feel free to
contact me if you wish.

Sincerly, (sic)
(Name deleted)

Combat Arms Survey

This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of
combat trained personnel with regards (sic) to nontraditional
missions. All of your responses are confidential. Write your
answers directly on the questionnaire form. In Part II, place an
"X" in the space provided for your response.

Part I. Demographics
1. What service are you in?
2 What is your pay grade?
3. What is your MOS code and description?
4. What is your highest level of education in years?
5. How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert
Shield?
6. How many months did you serve in Somalia?
7. What state or country did you primarily reside in during childhood?

Part II. Attitudes

(Each of these questions was followed by five answers. The
respondent was asked to check one of the following: Strongly
disagree, Disagree, Agree, Strongly agree, No opinion)

Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used within the
United States for any of the following missions?

8. Drug enforcement
9. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)
10. Security at national events (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl)
11. Environmental disaster clean-up
12. Substitute teachers in public schools
13. Community assistance programs (e.g. landscaping,
environmental clean-up, road repair, animal control)
14. Federal and state prison guards
15. National Emergency police force
16. Advisors to S.W.A.T. units, the FBI, or the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (B.A.T.F.)
17. Border Patrol (e.g. prevention of illegal aliens into U.S.
territory.)

Do you feel that U. S. combat troops under U.S. command should be
used in other countries for any of the following United Nations
missions?

18. Drug enforcement
19. Disaster relief
20. Environmental disaster clean-up
21. Peace keeping
22. Nation building (Reconstruct civil government, develop public
school system, develop or improve public transportation system,
etc.)
23. humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies,
temporary housing, and clothing)

Do you feel that U. S. combat troops should be used in other
countries, under command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the
United Nations for any of the following missions?

24. Drug enforcement
25. Disaster relief
26. Environmental disaster clean-up
27. Peace keeping
28. Nation building
29. Humanitarian relief
30. Police Action (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, but serving under non-
U.S. officers)

Consider the following statements:

31. The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops
should be allowed to serve in U.S. combat units during these
exercises under U.S. command and control.

32. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S.
combat troops under U.S. command and control should serve in U.N.
combat units during these exercises.

33. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S.
combat troops should serve under U. N. Command and control during
these exercises.

34. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions as
long as the U.S. has full command and control.

35. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under
United Nations command and control.

36. U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and
non-commissioned officers (NCOs) at battalion and company levels
while performing U.N. missions

37. It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as
members of my team (e.g. fire team, squad, platoon)

38. It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N.
company commander.

39. I feel the President of the United States has the authority
to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N.
Secretary General.

40. I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and
serving as a U.N. soldier.

41. I feel my unit's combat effectiveness would not be affected
by performing humanitarian missions for the United Nations.

42. I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be
permanently assigned to the command and control of the United
Nations.

43. I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S.
combat unit under a U.N. commander.

44. I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to
give the U. N. all the soldiers necessary to maintain world peace.

45. I would swear to the following code:
"I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces
which maintain world peace and every nation's way of life. I am
prepared to give my life in their defense."

46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale,
transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A
thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to
be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this
period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their
firearms.

Consider the following statement:
I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. Government.

That's the famous questionnaire. Come to your own conclusions.
I certainly have my opinion about the possible cumulative effects
of subtle brainwashing.

Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts..."

Not just "local". The JBT that tackled the little old lady to take away her revolver is from the California Highway Patrol. Sort of like bringing in the Tartars to suppress the Georgians, isn't it?