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Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership ^ | September 9, 2005 | JPFO

[jdhampton]

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

September 9, 2005

JPFO ALERT: If You Don't Like the Truth, Don't Read This Alert!

"Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians - Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts..."

It sounds like a headline from _Unintended Consequences_. But it's happening now -- today -- in New Orleans. Law enforcement officials are confiscating the legally-owned firearms from law-abiding citizens without due process, without warrants, and without cause, leaving their owners utterly defenseleses and at the mercy of looters and thugs.

According to an article in the New York Times (http://tinyurl.com/9ot44), the police superintendent P. Edwin Compass III decreed that no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry firearms of any kind, even if they possess permits to do so. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

(Well, not quite. The New Orleans police department will not be confiscating the weapons of private security personnel, guaranteeing that only those wealthy enough to afford a private bodyguard can be assured of protection).

Second Amendment advocates have long warned that such confiscations would undoubtedly occur in the event of major catastrophe. That they were right is not a surprise. Sadly, neither is the fact that few gun owners have resisted the confiscations.

Over the years, Americans have become increasingly ignorant about what rights they really have. Inalienable, individual rights have given way to "junk rights" -- privileges to be granted or withheld at the whim of the government. So if the government demands that they give up their guns, it's only natural that they should comply. The police officers and soldiers who are confiscating the firearms are either equally ignorant about citizens' rights ... or _simply don't care_ about following unConstitutional orders.

We've stated repeatedly that we must restore a Bill of Rights culture in this country. Until the populace knows all of its rights _and insist those rights be respected_ , the "brown-shirting" now in New Orleans will only get worse.

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We MUST educate our fellow citizens about the Bill of Rights, or what's happening in New Orleans today probably will happen in your town tomorrow.

Wanna bet the brownshirts aren't lusting to do it?

- The Liberty Crew

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[flashbunny]

In varies, sometimes spelling, other times grammar. I have no respect for individual freedom (try the plural, it works better) when you are the individual.

Ah, grammar lessons from you. Did you ask a 5th grader for help?

I refer to freedom and not "freedoms" because they are all intertwined and interdependent. You can not take away one without affecting the other in some way. You know, what Reagan said about freedom. It's a whole package deal. He understood it. I understand it. Most people here understand it. Heck, even those old dead white guys we call the 'founding fathers' understood it.

You don't. That puts you in a rather sad, pathetic minority.

--Yes, take away guns from the law abiding, because you're going to be getting all the guns from the criminals.--

Very good. You were able to understand we are taking all the guns.

Ah, that's called sarcasm, and apparently that's one of the things you aren't so good at, either.

-- Guess what: That has never worked. Criminals don't obey laws, and when the cops come for their guns, they won't be anywhere around.

And when the cops leave, the criminals will have their guns and the law abiding citizens will be defenseless.--

Guess what: 60% of the NO is still underwater, the criminals haven't gone anywhere.

Not the criminals, genius, their guns. Add 'reading comprehension' to the list of things you need to work on.

It doesn't take much to hide a 9mm pistol or revolver in a pile of rubble when you hear that the police are coming. Oh, wait, you didn't think of that, either. Why am I not surprised?

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Are you Mayor Nagin's twin??

[chapin2500]

You: Sorry sir, A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, is seizing the weapons.

Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In a time of absolute chaos, the last thing I want is the gov removing weapons.

I'm not looking for a fight so you can leave the snarky "sorry sirs" out of your posts to me. I just dont understand your reasoning and yes I've thought about this.

[flashbunny]

huh?

[Technogeeb]

I have no respect for individual freedom

Yes, we could tell that from your original post; there is no reason to continue to repeat yourself.

[chapin2500]

I can't believe I'm reading this crap on FR.

[hflynn]

The national guard, the army, and the police force are NOT the milita the founding fathers spoke of, genius.

US Code Title 10.311 Militia: Composition and Classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Thank you for recognizing genius when it spits in your face.

Advice: Quit making a fool of yourself.

Tha's good advice. When are you going to take it?

[hflynn]

Context violation - quote me completely or don't bother at all.

[flashbunny]

Uh, listen, they are not THE militia. They are part of the milita, just like everyone out side of the standing military. But they are NOT THE SOLE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM BEING DEFINED AS MILITIA!

Know who else is in the militia?

THE SAME PEOPLE THEY ARE DISARMING!

The code you quoted. See part two. "(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."

So the people who are having their guns taken away form them have just as much right to the guns as the people who are doing the confiscating.

None of this, however, should distract from the fact that you are apparently so dense that you can't see disarming the law abiding will do nothing to take guns away from the criminals.

But by all means, keep posting your anti-freedom spiel- you're exposing youself in front of everyone else here.

If you had a gun, they'd take it away to keep you from shooting youself in the foot.

[flashbunny]

You and me both.

First, I get called a nazi last week for suggesting the violent thugs looting should be shot. Never mind that coddling them produced more death and suffering.

Second, I spend too much time trying to defend the free market from situational socialists on this site who yearn for the days of jimmy carter price controls. Never mind that price caps and populist anti-guouging regulations don't work and are actually harmful.

Finally, I'm here having to defend the 2nd amendment and the basic, proven concept that criminals don't obey commands to 'turn in your guns'. I guess this time, under the illustrious leadership of the NOPD, they will finally be able to disarm BOTH all the criminals and all the law abiding citizens, and leave the law abiding safe from attack. Oh, wait, you're saying that the criminals can still roam around with baseball bats, machetes and knifes? Well, I guess the citizens will just have to call 911 and wait for the police to row on over!

Sheesh. What the hell is happening here?

[chapin2500]

Sheesh. What the hell is happening here?

LOL! Don't EVER use the word "homo" and NEVER argue with a "Cristian atheist". They'll defend that title to the end.

[auntyfemenist]

Seize every weapon and sort it out later before some law abiding citizen, who refuses to obey the authorities and leave, finds himself convicted of murder. And by the way, the police seizing these weapons today may have to come back tomorrow to forcefully remove these very same citizens.

One, it won't be sorted out. No one is likely to get their gun back. Two, ANY excuse to seize guns from law abiding citizens opens the door for the govt. to start seizing them, en masse from the entire country.

No, the authorities should not be using this as an excuse to take guns. I am not sure I get your point. On one hand you advocate the govt. taking guns, and a paragraph or so later you seem to be contradicting your own point. Sorry, just trying to figure out what, exactly you are saying.

[Teacher317]

Your post (and I'm glad to see the term "militia" officially defined somewhere) does not support your contention. Since the militia is comprised of all able-bodied men plus all National Guard females, the disarming of any able-bodied male within the stated age range is a strict violation of the Second Amendment. The subcategorization into organized and unorganized militias are not referred to in The Second Amendment, ergo it applies to each, as they are both statutorily defined as part of "the militia".

(Intriguing that this would not apply to non-serving females. A section 1983 Equal Protection argument would be easy to make there. Any New Orleans lawyers wanna tackle that one?)

[chapin2500]

The quote you quoted was from hflynn not flashbunny.

[flashbunny]

"Congratulations, you can't spell, your thick as shit, "

You used the wrong "your" again, Aristotle.

[flashbunny]

"It almost sounds like you are advocating preemptive guilty proclamations on all gun owners as a lazy alternative to seeking out actual perpetrators on the merits of criminal evidence. But I must be mistaken. You aren't really saying that, are you?"

That's pretty much what he's saying.

And he's claiming a halo for his position.

Thank goodness he's just about the only one here with a position that idiotic.

[hflynn]

Your misreading the code. It isn't just female citizens of the National Guard, all of the other categories specified are also members of the National Guard.

Forgetting the exceptions noted it is:

The militia of the United States consists of

all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age + males under 45 years + female citizens = Militia (National Guard)

not

all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age + males under 45 years + female citizens who are members of the National Guard = Militia

[hflynn]

Very good.

Oh, by the way I always use your instead of you are as a trigger mechanism when I'm talking to someone like you. It is amazing. It never fails to get the next reply from a moron who thinks I'm going to nail this guy with my brilliance. Your (warning you have just read a trigger mechanism) programmed. I'll be waiting, but I know you might need to take a kitchen break to rub garlic on your bullets.

[flashbunny]

" Oh, by the way I always use your instead of you are as a trigger mechanism when I'm talking to someone like you."

Do you also use such ingenious techniques as saying 'life's" instead of "lives" and end sentences with fragments like "whether the citizen is or isn't a law abiding." just to entrap poor, unsuspecting souls like me? Just wondering, because this fractured thought begs the question:

"Nobody in NO with their life's on the line gives a shit whether the citizen is or isn't a law abiding.

Wow, way to go, Wiley Coyote! Such clever traps you set! You sure got all of us there! If there were huntin' regulations agaist baiting people with bad grammar and incoherent posts, you'd be on the run from the game warden!

BTW, you'll notice that just about everyone knows that you're wrong. But go ahead, keep showing us how superior you are because believe disarming law abiding citizens will make things better.