Firefox's 'retreat' ensures Microsoft excels

Contractor UK ^ | Aug 22, 2005 | Contractor UK

[Bush2000]

You came close to the point but missed it. The Chinese sunk a lot of money into their version of Linux, and YOU can download it for free, taking advantage of all the work THEY did.

Look, dude. Even you have to admit that the global Linux community has done a helluva lot more to build out Linux than the Chinese have ever done.

[Bush2000]

Not true. Vulnerabilties for both browsers have been pretty bad. The unpatched bugs in IE are almost exclusively very low impact issues that pose little threat.

[Bush2000]

That's old data.

BS. The data includes the IE7 Beta, which was released a day or two ago.

[Bush2000]

It's misguided thinking. Same as the old "What's good for GM is good for America" during the 60s and 70s. Problem is, that kind of thinking gets you into trouble. Competition is good. Look what the Mozilla Foundation has done for Microsoft: forced it to update a product that they hadn't put anything into for years. Would you rather that Microsoft went the way of GM?

Yeah, try to remember that when the ChiComs use Linux to perform clustered nuclear weapon simulation and improve the efficiency of weapons delivered to your home town...

[Bush2000]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but the way I read it, you're telling me all Firefox users are commie sympathizers? Get a grip. It's a freakin' BROWSER, for cryin' out loud. Wouldn't hurt MS any to have a little competition, before they cannibalize and then crush them.

I'm not talking about OSS users. I'm talking about the contributors that provide code to OSS projects, which eventually makes its way to the ChiComs and North Koreans.

[Bush2000]

Most of which Firefox had over a year ago.

So what. The original poster was under the impression that the theme was the only thing in IE7 that had changed. I was merely pointing out what a pantload he was selling...

for security, well, given how tightly woven IE is into Microsoft's operating systems (try getting an OS update without it), it's now too critical to be used for daily browsing.

Not in Windows Vista. For one thing, Vista requires the use of LUAs (Limited User Accounts), so any potential damage is limited to user documents ~/. Under XP, IE7 reduces its own rights set to match those that would exist under a LUA; so, even if you're running as Admin, you can't do any serious damage. No more than under 'nix, anyway.

And of course, its security sins are considerable versus some of the minor things I've seen in Firefox.

BS. Apparently, you haven't seen all of the recent exploits in the Firefox plug-in architecture. Talk about a joke...

[HolgerDansk]

Yeah, try to remember that when the ChiComs use Linux to perform clustered nuclear weapon simulation and improve the efficiency of weapons delivered to your home town...

Now, why would they do that? They already have (and have tested) their clone of the US W-88 design, stolen during the Clinton Administration. Once again, your knowledge of security issues appears to be paper thin.

[exnavychick]

Still seems overwrought and hyperbolic to me.

To each his own.

[for-q-clinton]

To each his own.

Let me fix that for you...

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs!" - Karl Marx

[exnavychick]

Ha. Ha.

[adam_az]

China promises to play nice with the Windows source code I gave them access to! They also promised to stop pirating our software!

[adam_az]

|"His post had nothing to do with Operating systems, it was about web servers, if you're too thick to see the difference you have to be a phb at best, and a teenage kid at worst.."

At one point I had to describe to him the difference between POP and SMTP protocols.

He also didn't know the difference between a "proof of concept" and an actual exploit just a few months ago, so take your best guess...

[antiRepublicrat]

Vulnerabilties for both browsers have been pretty bad.

True, but did you actually see that chart? IE has far more critical and unpatched vulnerabilities.

[antiRepublicrat]

ven you have to admit that the global Linux community has done a helluva lot more to build out Linux than the Chinese have ever done.

"Global" Linux community? I thought Linux was all about the rest of the world stealing American IP.

[antiRepublicrat]

In terms of overall support and cost, yes it is better and that's why teh suits choose it over Apache.

The suits choose Apache because Microsoft leveraged its monopoly desktop OS into servers. They mainly buy out of habit (or an insane panic deal with Microsoft because they mentioned using Linux), not because of any cost-benefit analysis.

[antiRepublicrat]

, try to remember that when the ChiComs use Linux to perform clustered nuclear weapon simulation and improve the efficiency of weapons delivered to your home town...

Using chips manufactured with the help of the Bush family. Sorry, couldn't resist.

[antiRepublicrat]

, try to remember that when the ChiComs use Linux to perform clustered nuclear weapon simulation and improve the efficiency of weapons delivered to your home town...

It is nice to see Microsoft finally catching up to a 35 year-old OS.

[antiRepublicrat]

Whoops, chose IIS. Hey, it came with the servers they bought because the Windows clients they have only worked best with Windows servers.

[for-q-clinton]

The suits choose Apache because Microsoft leveraged its monopoly desktop OS into servers. They mainly buy out of habit (or an insane panic deal with Microsoft because they mentioned using Linux), not because of any cost-benefit analysis.

I'm just amazed that all the big suits in the world are really stupid pawns of Microsoft. Wow, M$ must really be evil as you all said if they are smart enough to fool all the smart business leaders in the world. But the IT guys working in their basement on a Linux--they really know what's best for all corporations in America and the world (even though they don't work there).

Yeah, that's the ticket!

[for-q-clinton]

Whoops, chose IIS. Hey, it came with the servers they bought because the Windows clients they have only worked best with Windows servers.

Is that sarcasm or are you agreeing that IIS provides more value to the businesses that choose it?