Posted on 08/23/2005 6:43:41 AM PDT by N3WBI3
I'm not being deceptive, and immediately admitted it was a mistake. You on the other hand never admit your premeditated lies, and in fact were still arguing that Windows 2000 security updates were being cut off 2 weeks after I had corrected you about it.
The last posts I saw from you, you were still arguing on behalf of the Chinese. Have you come to terms with the fact they are supposed to recognize US intellectual property laws in order to be a member of WTO? Or are you still unwilling to admit it.
Funny, still couldn't bring yourself to actually admit being wrong, yet again.
As this thread shows there are plenty of conservatives who use Linux. Linux is a tool. It can be used for good or ill. That does not make the tool itself inherently evil; it's just like with guns.
If you don't like Microsoft, why not Apple?
I'm particular about the components I put in a machine - my desktop machines are custom built and rebuilt by myself. Apple makes great computers but doesn't offer me that level of control at Linux's price.
Regards, Ivan
Thanks for your reply. Why is it I wonder that some conservative people (while I'll certainly reserve judgement of all on this thread) like to dabble in something created by likely communists and fully endorsed by the DNC? And why don't they admit those ties, and work to remove the elements of open source that are so attractive to the socialists? Because those are the same elements that attract them?
I think a more logical position as a conservative in support of open source would be to investigate the licenses by Sun for Solaris, which are business friendly, and are drawing ire from the communists. Have you looked into those perhaps, as Solaris is compatible with generic Intel systems.
This is hysterical nonsense. Linus Torvalds is not a communist; if you have evidence proving he was a card carrying Communist and that he invented Linux to this end, by all means produce it. But I guarantee you can't. Second, UNIX, upon which it is based, is an all-American invention.
Now as for the Red Chinese using it, Microsoft gladly sells them Windows, yet I don't see you accusing them of selling out to the Communists. As stated, Linux is a tool - it can be used for good or ill. If you continue in this vein of mindless hysteria because of your lack of understanding of how the Open Source model works, I will refuse to take you seriously.
Open Source, I should point out, drives many businesses around the world - as such, it is "business friendly". I've worked for many web companies that relied on it, and found its total cost of ownership was favourable compared to Microsoft's products. Just because a system is closed and proprietary, does not make it "business friendly". Again, it's hysterical nonsense to suggest this is so.
By the way, I am an IT professional who has worked with the internet for 10 years. I do know what I'm talking about. I get the distinct sense that you don't.
Ivan
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I've had to work in developing systems based on a variety of platforms. I have Microsoft computers in my home, and am adding a Linux based one. It is good for the IT professional to be conversant in a good portion of major technologies - it helps when finding the right tool for the right job.
Calling someone a Communist because they prefer Open Source technologies is simply nonsense.
Regards, Ivan
Linus Torvalds is not a communist; if you have evidence proving he was a card carrying Communist and that he invented Linux to this end, by all means produce it. But I guarantee you can't.
Are you saying you have evidence that he isn't, and has no ties whatsoever? You do know his father is a well known communist, and studied in Moscow for years? He's also well known to refer to himself as a "dictator", claimed his goal is "total world domination", spoken out against existing intellectual property laws, and chosen the GNU license which has its own "manifesto", literally. Maybe that's why communism.org and wikipedia.org refer to linux as a perfect example of communism? Ball's in your court if you have anything conclusive none of this is true or related.
UNIX, upon which it is based, is an all-American invention.
FYI, GNU stands for "GNU isn't Unix".
Now as for the Red Chinese using it, Microsoft gladly sells them Windows, yet I don't see you accusing them of selling out to the Communists.
When Microsoft allows the Chicom goverment to make free copies of their products, rename them as "Chinese Red Flag", and name them as the official products of the PRC government including rights to resell as their own give me a shout. Ball's in your court again.
Open Source, I should point out, drives many businesses around the world - as such, it is "business friendly".
Apparently you haven't read that "GNU Manifesto" or spent much time researching those you are so adamantly defending. They admit their goal is to make all software free, thereby destroying one of the greatest industries of the West, completey.
By the way, I am an IT professional who has worked with the internet for 10 years. I do know what I'm talking about. I get the distinct sense that you don't.
Well you can result to personal insults just like the other losers on here if you want, but so far your points don't seem to have any backing other than being your opinion. I have always backed up my position with verifiable sources, and if you doubt any of the facts I just posted I will be glad to substantiate them as well. By the way, I've been working with computers going back to Data General and Honywell, if you want to test me in that regard as well you're more than welcome to give it a try. Ball's in your court again.
I lie at every opportunity? ROFLMAO, it was one time I missed a claim by 5% for which I immediatley apologized. You meanwhile go around claming US IP allows don't apply in China, MS TCP is based on BSD, Windows 2000 patches are being cut off, Blackberry was Linux or some other nonsense, I don't even keep up with your BS anymore.
I lie at every opportunity? ROFLMAO, it was one time I missed a claim by 5% for which I immediatley apologized. You meanwhile go around claming US IP LAWS don't apply in China, MS TCP is based on BSD, Windows 2000 patches are being cut off, Blackberry was Linux or some other nonsense, I don't even keep up with your BS anymore.
I'm not perfect, but based on the competition, I'm damn close.
Here's a thread from just the other day with multiple instances of your BS:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1460059/posts?page=65#65
Not only did you attempt to claim there are more users of Linux than any other O/S in the world, you also claimed there are "FEWER" holes in Linux/BSD (if you're not bolding your lies you're capitalizing them). Of course you had no proof for any of this other than "tivo", ROFLMAO again.
Read the latest homeland security report for a dose of the truth, which you could obviously use:
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB05-229.html
Now I am convinced you are an idiot. You spout off hysterical, flaming nonsense and are upset that it gets called hysterical flaiming nonsense.
Let's begin with your allegations against Linus Tovalds, shall we? Just because his father may or may not have been a Communist, does not making a him a Communist, any more than Ronald Reagan's children are automatically conservatives (would that were true in the case of Fruit Ron Jr.) - the fact that you would draw such guilt by association is dire nonsense.
Until you produce Linus' remarks about being a "dictator" and "total world domination" in context, I can't take them seriously. That said, what company has done its best to crowd others out of the market? What company has been trying to dominate multimedia, web browsing and office products? What company got its ear yanked by the Justice Department? Hint: it's not the Open Source movement.
Your remarks about the licensing are utterly ignorant. Just because Open Source is a new way of doing things, does not make it anti-capitalist. Note how many businesses have latched on to Open Source technologies in order to make money, whether it is to enable web businesses or to sell distributions: Red Hat is not a charity, for example.
Finally, if you want to know why people are insulting you - if you act like an idiot, label anything you don't understand as Communist, and refuse to face facts, what choice is left - the only choice is to kick you in the goolies so hard that you sound like a member of the Vienna Boy's Choir. Pain is the only thing the brain-dead understand. And if you continue to act like a fool, I will keep kicking you in the goolies, because I don't suffer fools gladly, and that is precisely what you are.
Ivan
You haven't convinced me of anything other than you have nothing but shallow insults as a response. Nothing else. If there was anything else in your response, please point it out.
As for Torvald's upbringing, it's nothing more than 1 more peice of circumstantial evidence. It fits into the profile perfectly, since his products are GNU based which are known to be anti-capitalistic. He personally refers to himself as a "dictator", as a compliment. And routinely speaks out against intellectual property laws as they exist. And no, I'm not the only one aware of these issues, they cover the internet if you pulled your head from its firm plant in the sand.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=torvalds+communism&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8
And yes, the GNU is absolutely anti-capitalist. Did you read their "Manifesto"? Here it is since you can't seem to find it on your own.
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html
Here's their history and goals page, whose final statement is "to make all proprietary software obsolete":
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html
Here's the personal homepage of their founder, overflowing with anti-US rhetoric:
http://www.stallman.org/archives/2005-may-aug.html
And yes, Red Hat does follow the GNU manifesto and give their products away to communist governments, who love them so much they pass laws requiring its use.
China
http://slashdot.org/articles/99/11/10/1457205.shtml
Cuba
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/05/19/1213245.shtml?tid=106&tid=219
Vietnam
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/30/1435248.shtml
Other radical governments like Iran
http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/2/3822
There are also strong ties with the DNC and John Kerry, Howard Dean, Wesley Clark, etc just as I already posted in this thread but you conveniently ignored. Here they are again so you can't continue to plead ignorant:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x665385
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1617712,00.asp?kc=EWNKT0209KTX1K0100440
http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/news/article.php?story=20050624042207848&mode=print
http://ianmurdock.com/?p=54
http://weblog.flora.org/article.php3?story_id=552
http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/p05210612bb7d87639a93@[192.168.1.101].html
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/05/01/1148227.shtml?tid=103&tid=99
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print?TYPE=story&AT=2133230-39020381t-10000002c
Obviously, I understand these issues just fine, and have unlimited corroboration to my points. You, like others, have nothing but insults, since you're unwilling to even face the truth, much less accept it. If you have ANYTHING other than hot air to reply with, then please bring it. But if all you're going to do is once again ignore this mountain of evidence, and fling more insults as a smoke screen for this leftist movement you seem fond of, you might as well save it.
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