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To: HAL9000
It may or may not require a large staff of technicians, but it does require some, and in a city of ten million, you'd expect some company somewhere to need at least one. There's even an ad for a COBOL programmer and a FORTRAN expert, but no Mac OS X.

Let's not confuse idealism for reality. We get enough of that crap from liberals. Mac OS X may or may not be a great operating system (I lean towards may), but the reality is that Microsoft owns the home, corporate and government desktop with rare exceptions. Hopefully the Mac Mini will make inroads into this, but delusions only are appreciated on the other side.
6 posted on 07/22/2005 12:35:50 AM PDT by kingu
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To: kingu; HAL9000
...Let's not confuse idealism for reality. We get enough of that crap from liberals... but delusions only are appreciated on the other side.

Indeed. You sweep a large brush, based on your perusal of the "LA Times" Adv. dept? It is obviously your reality, that is a little warped. As a Mac owner, and user since 1984, I may know a little more about the subject matter, and will gladly reply to your apparent ignorance.

I am not a techie. I have used my computers, with few problems, since the beginning, without needing to be one. All of my problems were caused by poorly written code, in third party software. I never needed a programmer, or a technician, except to spin a crashed hard drive for recovery. I still have some of my 15-20 yr old, fully functioning, Macs. I can use much of the early software, using Mac Classic (OS9), running underneath OSX.

The only crap we Mac folk get are from the MS IT Dept types, and others that make their living trying to revive crashed Wintel computers. WE Mac users RARELY have to miss a beat!

The Mac mini is already a hit, but I own a g5. I will take on any Photoshop Process, and beat you to the redraw, most times, on your Wintel. Have you ever had a chance to use Final Cut Pro. If you've been to many movies, you have seen its' "product" displayed repeatedly. I have used it as an upgrade to iMovie (a very easy to use, Apple-supplied, part of the iLife suite). It is not much more difficult to use, but the output is fabulous, for my home movies. The ease of use, is because of the standardization, of the many facets of Mac programs, required by Apple, from itself and third-party folk.

I still use the same keyboard shortcuts that I learned in 1984, while you were probably still in diapers, or using a little flashing c> as a guide. (I still don't know how to get it to stop flashing, and don't care!)

Microsoft does not own desktops. They market an operating system, filled with foibles, and loaded with drudgery. That is why IT Departments came into being. Without an aggressive IT Dept, commerce would cease, if it relies on Microsoft.

In Burgaw, NC, circa 1986-87, the Pender Post Newspaper began using Macintosh Plus, teamed with Apple Laserwriters, for type-setting the paper, and creating ads. They still use Mac. Most papers do, these days. They have no IT guys. Never did.

Most any creative department, of any major Corp, has a Mac or two, or three. More are adding them. With advanced engineering programs, and lots of spreadsheet calcs, there is good use for the Mac GUI environment. Gamers made MS wealthy, when they took their bizness machines home, and needed something to do. Apple has been primarily marketed to working people, and creators, not gamers. We don't need an alternate reality, where we can kill and pillage.

It is not difficult to believe the article. It is, however, extremely difficult to continually listen to jerks, that don't know enough about the subject, to make a reasonable post. Instead, these jerks think it is still necessary to bash Mac users, or make cutesy remarks about delusions... because they have no argument.

Get over it. The only delusions are in the minds of those who don't see the headlights!

"Dave, what are you doing?"


8 posted on 07/22/2005 1:39:01 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: kingu
There's even an ad for a COBOL programmer and a FORTRAN expert, but no Mac OS X.

I see a lot of "OS X" and "Macintosh" throughout the country on Monster. Also, don't forget that in getting a programmer for Web apps for OS X, you're likely to see ads for Java, JBoss, Tomcat or WebObjects. Also look for ads for Filemaker, a popular database for OS X, and for PHP, Perl and MySQL, which might also end up being done on an OS X system.

But you are right that Microsoft owns the corporate and government, much the same way IBM used to, and the buyers buy out of habit rather than by any real business criteria such as TCO. I know this is true for government. But many are starting to realize that's a good way to lose money.

10 posted on 07/22/2005 6:30:14 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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