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What is an originalist?
self | 07/18/2005 | phoenix0468

Posted on 07/18/2005 4:42:20 PM PDT by phoenix0468

Just wondering what an originalist is from the most recent poll. I honestly have never heard the term and would like to know what it means.

Thanks fellow FReepers.


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KEYWORDS: clearification; originalist; question

1 posted on 07/18/2005 4:42:20 PM PDT by phoenix0468
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To: phoenix0468

it means that the person is someone who will interpret the Constitution the way it was written, instead of applying a political stance to it.


2 posted on 07/18/2005 4:43:07 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: MikeinIraq

I was thinking that's what it meant, but I abhore assuption and appreciate the clearification.

I am an originalist. Therefore, I also abhore many of the Ammendments to the constitution. I look at them as foolhearty "interpretation" of very clear and highly effective original articles.


3 posted on 07/18/2005 4:49:47 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: phoenix0468

An originalist isn't just someone who will interpret the Constitution the way it's written, but the way it was meant to be interpreted, as explained in the Federalist Papers. The term comes from the "original intent" of the Founders, not the "original text" of the Constitution.


4 posted on 07/18/2005 4:51:05 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: Terpfen

As long as we've got this civics class going, let me add a follow-up question...

Seems as though this cycle is about the only time I've heard the term "originalist" come up (granted that "cycle" has been a few years). I had always seen the term "constructionist" applied to one with such leanings (or lack thereof). Is there a subtle distinction between the terms "originalist" and "constructionist", or is it just kind of a FReeper preference?


5 posted on 07/18/2005 5:06:01 PM PDT by FinallyBackInNH
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To: phoenix0468

in sharp contrast to some of our u.s. supremes who want to employ european court decisions in their thought processes.

liberal american universities follow the european socialist, communist and anarchist movements.

among these people "18th c dead, white male" enlightenment literature is out. the u.s constitution is an 18th c enlightenment-derived creation.

they've substituted "critical thinking" for rationalism and logic because these are too white male like.


6 posted on 07/18/2005 5:12:30 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: FinallyBackInNH

It's a renaming. Strict constructionist is the historical term, but originalist gets the meaning across, making it more politically marketable.


7 posted on 07/18/2005 5:19:46 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: FinallyBackInNH
They are very different. An originallist is someone who interprets the constitution according to the original intent of the constitution's writers. Clarence Thomas is an originallist. A strict construction is someone who interprets the constitution according what it says (using word definitions from the period in which the constitution was written), not the intentions of the founding fathers. Justice Scalia is an example of a strict constructionist. It is true that originallists and constructionist will agree most of the time, but this is not always the case and they are not the same.

Therefore, since I am a constructionist, I voted for "other" in the Freeper poll.
8 posted on 07/18/2005 5:54:15 PM PDT by Stag_Man (Hamilton is my Hero)
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To expand on my post, an originallist will consult things like the Federalist Papers to form his opinions. A constructionist only uses the Constitution, case law and a 1789 dictionary.
9 posted on 07/18/2005 5:59:50 PM PDT by Stag_Man (Hamilton is my Hero)
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To: Terpfen

I guess it would be too much to hope that someday the Federalist Papers will become required reading in our high schools.


10 posted on 07/18/2005 6:28:25 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

It would, due to time constraints in semester course planning. I'd say being familiar with the Constitution is good enough.


11 posted on 07/18/2005 6:30:02 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: Terpfen

Too many schools have dropped American civics all together and just lump it in with American history.


12 posted on 07/18/2005 6:34:03 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: phoenix0468
In short, it is someone who defends a "dead" constitution. As opposed to someone who buys into the "living, breathing" philosophy bit..

For a Originalist, a interpretational ruling does not go any farther than the edge of the paper OR change with social want's & whim's, unless the law, that is, the Text, changes. All interpretations should be done through the Framers lens of "original meaning". AND that is defined as the original understanding of the text at the time it was drafted & ratified. That makes it a theory or philosophy, and is much better than JUST "intent".

It is not the exact same as an "strict constructionist".

13 posted on 07/18/2005 6:36:10 PM PDT by austinmark (Torture? Koran abuse? ... I'd Rather Be A Koran In Gitmo THAN A Bible in Saudi Arabia !!!)
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To: mainepatsfan

My HS grouped government with economics in an 18-week course.


14 posted on 07/18/2005 6:52:10 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: phoenix0468

bttt


15 posted on 07/18/2005 9:22:19 PM PDT by austinmark (Torture? Koran abuse? ... I'd Rather Be A Koran In Gitmo THAN A Bible in Saudi Arabia !!!)
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