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To: vannrox
Fine art first and foremost is about humanity and the human condition, as is all the greatest literature. The two go hand in glove, and to the extent that stories embody the most profound and powerful elements in what it means to be alive as a human being, they are in fact the perfect vehicle for the finest fine art that has ever been produced.

I could not agree with Ross more. The greatest art is about the human condition, and I think the deeper this content, the finer the work of art. I don't think it matters, always, whether the creator is an illustrator or not. And it doesn't matter who's paying for the piece. What matters is the depth of expression.

Most "fine" artists, like Picasso, have produced some pretty poor pieces, and some illustrators like Rockwell have produced some very fine pieces.

Some might argue that a great deal of the "quality" is derived from how the paint has been applied. Rockwell did not do a great deal with his "surfaces." But art's quality should not be limited to surface texture.

Some works to illustrate my points. I've seen Hunt's Lady of Shallot and it's stunning.

William Holman Hunt Lady of Shallot and John William Waterhouse Lady of Shallot

These are affecting images. The second one I found in a search for the first one, but I also like it.

Even I, who loves abstraction, have to admit that this Picasso is less affecting than the other images above, although others may disagree.

I think a great deal of the "quality" has to do with the depth of the image. Sometimes illustrators deal with a single moment or image or gag, and it doesn't go much deeper than that. Rockwell, in his Four Freedoms, did go deeper, partly because of his profoundly patriotic inspiration. (Here's one of his studies for Freedom of Speech.) But other images seem more clever and humorous and less deep, as in his Sixth Inning below.

Whereas Michelangelo is always powerful because he is always dealing with the essential struggles of life, even in little details on the Sistine Chapel, as in Ezekial below.


9 posted on 07/04/2005 4:37:30 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor
"Never ever put a hot frying pan near your bare bottom!"

Words to live by.

11 posted on 07/04/2005 4:50:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Republicanprofessor
It seems unfair to stigmatize certain artists as "illustrators" just because that's how they earned their living. A bit more honest than lying for government grants, anyhow!

I think my favorite is still N.C. Wyeth, despite Rockwell's tremendous talent I think Wyeth had more breadth of imagination and a stronger sense of form.


Treasure Island


Kidnapped


Robin Hood

For sheer drama and overall uniform quality, you can't beat his illustrations for Treasure Island. But lots of others are great too -- that last one is a portrait of the carpetbaggers from the Pike County Ballads - an o.k. book redeemed by splendid illustrations.

13 posted on 07/04/2005 5:07:36 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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