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Art Appreciation/Education “class” #6: Dada and Surrealism
7/1/05 | republicanprofessor

Posted on 07/01/2005 4:13:38 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor

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I don't know whether doing this over a holiday weekend will stimulate more or less conversation. But it's the only time I've had to write it up, so here goes.
1 posted on 07/01/2005 4:13:39 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Sam Cree; Liz; Joe 6-pack; woofie; vannrox; giotto; iceskater; Conspiracy Guy; B Knotts; Dolphy; ...
Art ping list.

Let Sam Cree or I know if you want to be added to or deleted from the list.

2 posted on 07/01/2005 4:15:36 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Sam Cree; Liz; Joe 6-pack; woofie; vannrox; giotto; iceskater; Conspiracy Guy; B Knotts; Dolphy; ...

Art Appreciation/Education ping list.

Let me know if you want on or off this list.


3 posted on 07/01/2005 4:16:45 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: auntyfemenist; TXnMA; proud American in Canada; Roccus
One more mini-set of pings.

I noticed that you liked Liz's Art Ap quizzes, which are great fun.

Let me know if you want to join one or both of these art ping lists as well.

4 posted on 07/01/2005 4:18:36 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor
The original Surrealist...Giuseppe Arcimboldo:


5 posted on 07/01/2005 4:50:17 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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Wow! I don't know his work. When and where was he working? Looks like the 17th century; Spain?

More importantly, what was he taking?

6 posted on 07/01/2005 5:00:56 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor

Dada? no, MaMa......

7 posted on 07/01/2005 5:04:24 PM PDT by woofie (When in Bagdad do as the Bagdaddies do....)
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To: Republicanprofessor
He was a Mannerist (ooh...Bosch is another one that needs to be mentioned on this thread!). Arcimboldo was around from 1527 - 1593.

Now here's some more "antique surrealism":

Heironymous Bosch 1450 - 1516.

8 posted on 07/01/2005 5:14:26 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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Mannerism.....excellent. Too few people know about Mannerism. I love some of those works.

Bronzino Venus, Cupid, Folly, Time mid 16th century. I love this work, but it is not as imaginative as Arcimboldo. But note the child and his mother in the central part of the painting. Not exactly your normal relationship there.

Yes, I forgot about Bosch. Wasn't thinking that far back. I know he is, technically, a Northern Renaissance artist, but he is another one who transcends labels.

Bosch Garden of Earthly Delights ca. 1500 the central part of Joe 6-pack's post.

9 posted on 07/01/2005 5:24:14 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor
For me Parmigianino's Madonna dal Collo Lungo (Madonna with Long Neck) is the defining Mannerist painting.

I also have to admit that Arnold Hauser, despite his politics, wrote the best, most comprehensive assessment of the movement that I've read.

10 posted on 07/01/2005 5:33:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Republicanprofessor

I've always liked Magritte. He also is known for his men in bowler hats- as I am sure I don't have to tell you! LOL

His personal story is very sad and strange. I don't remember all of it, but I do remember that his mother was found washed up on the beach with a sheet covering her face and that image comes up again and again in his art.

I saw The Persistance of Time in person while in high school and I was shocked at how small it is. I guess because it's a so famous I imagined it would be huge.


11 posted on 07/01/2005 5:38:26 PM PDT by retrokitten (www.takebackthememorial.org)
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To: Republicanprofessor

Duchamp was the Democrat of the 1910's. All criticism of others, but few ideas of his own.


12 posted on 07/01/2005 6:09:24 PM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: retrokitten
I saw The Persistance of Time in person while in high school and I was shocked at how small it is.

I have to agree with you. That's the one work of art that has ever been disappointing in person. Most artworks are so much more awesome in person.

13 posted on 07/01/2005 6:22:01 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor

I like the Carnival piece, and then when I read what your accountant said about it, I have to agree.
Very cheerful use of color.

Rape - First impressions: I find the artist is making the statement that it isn't about sex or desire, nor is it personal. Or, every woman, no matter how accomplished or attractive, is reduced to her parts. Pretty much means the same thing, though.


14 posted on 07/01/2005 6:41:00 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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Yes, I forgot to say that the Surrealists were the most misogynist group of artists yet. There were a few women Surrealists, in the U.S., but they are not well known.

Many Surrealists did reduce women to their body parts, often using mannikins. I think Hans Bellmer is the worst in this respect. I find him incredibly offensive.


15 posted on 07/01/2005 6:56:55 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor
In case anyone is just catching this series for the first time, the previous posts are:

class 5: Cubism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1427099/posts

class 4: Expressionism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1424087/posts

class 3: Cezanne and van Gogh; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1419876/posts

class 2: Impressionism and Post-Impressionism; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1414727/posts

class 1: Realism: Manet and Homer; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410117/posts

My goal is to do three or four more "lectures" in the next two weeks: American Modernism (O'Keeffe, Dove, Hartley); Abstract Expressionism (Pollock, Rothko etc.); Pop and Minimalism; Postmodernism (if time).

Then I'm going on a long trip, with questionable internet connections. But when I return, I would love to get requests for any other periods about which anyone would like to learn.

I should probably do a Liz-like "test" before I go, though....

16 posted on 07/01/2005 7:08:22 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor

I see much to appreciate on this thread. None of it is crap, except the stupid glued paper fragments.


17 posted on 07/01/2005 7:28:06 PM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: Republicanprofessor

How about Japanese art that seems to have influenced so many?
Textile art?
Graphic art (Patrick Nagel)?
So much to review, so little time.


18 posted on 07/01/2005 7:46:52 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: Republicanprofessor

There were two books that taught me how to draw in ink. One was by Dali, the other by Marvel Comics. I have always appreciated technical excellence in art, which both of these artists [one a committee] demonstrated. Miro was the best at art, though.


19 posted on 07/01/2005 7:54:14 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Republicanprofessor

IMO, Arcimboldo was a major precursor to surrealism. Of course, he was also a precursor to the "dogs playing cards" type paintings. :')


20 posted on 07/01/2005 11:43:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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