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Who are your baseball All-Stars? (Vanity)

Posted on 06/27/2005 1:20:17 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson

OK, baseball fans, who are your picks for this year's All-Star Game in Detroit? 32 players on a side, and each team must be represented.

I look at three criteria: 1) What a guy is doing this year; 2) What a guy did last year; and 3) What a guy has done throughout his career. (Factors 2 and 3 are the reason I put Pujols ahead Lee at 1B, even though Derrek Lee is the best player in baseball so far this year.) Here are my picks:

NATIONAL LEAGUE: 18 position, 14 pitchers (8 S, 6 R)
C: Paul LoDuca (FLA), Mike Piazza (NYM)
1B: Albert Pujols (STL), Derrek Lee (CHC), Carlos Delgado (FLA)
2B: Jeff Kent (LAD), Chase Utley (PHI)
SS: Omar Vizquel (SF), Felipe Lopez (CIN)
3B: Aramis Ramirez (CHC), Morgan Ensberg (HOU)
OF: Bobby Abreu (PHI), Miguel Cabrera (FLA), Jim Edmonds (STL); Andruw Jones (ATL), Carlos Lee (MIL), Jason Bay (PIT), Luis Gonzalez (ARI)
P: Roger Clemens (HOU), Pedro Martinez (NYM), Dontrelle Willis (FLA), Chris Carpenter (STL), Roy Oswalt (HOU), John Smoltz (ATL), Jake Peavy (SD), Livan Hernandez (WSH); Chad Cordero (WSH), Jason Isringhausen (STL), Billy Wagner (PHI), Brad Lidge (HOU), Trevor Hoffman (SD), Jay Witasick (COL)

AMERICAN LEAGUE: 20 position (inc. 1 DH), 12 pitchers (7 S, 5 R)
C: Jason Varitek (BOS), Jorge Posada (NYY), Ivan Rodriguez (DET)
1B: Mark Texeira (TEX), Mike Sweeney (KC)
2B: Brian Roberts (BAL), Alfonso Soriano (TEX)
SS: Miguel Tejada (BAL), Derek Jeter (NYY), Carlos Guillen (DET)
3B: Alex Rodriguez (NYY), Eric Chavez (OAK)
OF: Vladimir Guerrero (LAA), Johnny Damon (BOS), Manny Ramirez (BOS); Gary Sheffield (NYY), Torii Hunter (MIN), Ichiro Suzuki (SEA), Carl Crawford (TB)
DH: David Ortiz (BOS)
P: Roy Halladay (TOR), Mark Buehrle (CHW), Kenny Rogers (TEX), Bartolo Colon (LAA), Johan Santana (MIN), Jon Garland (CHW), Matt Clement (BOS); Mariano Rivera (NYY), B.J. Ryan (BAL), Eddie Guardado (SEA), Bob Wickman (CLE), Dustin Hermanson (CHW)


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To: JohnnyZ; Personal Responsibility; newgeezer
If you only take into account the first three months of any season, you will get some flashes-in-the-pan who flame out in the second half and are never heard from again. Also, that leaves unrewarded what a guy did in the second half of last season.

So I take into account the previous season, and then also career, in order to evaluate true "stars." For example, this year you could put Piazza, Michael Barrett, and Ramon Hernandez in a hat an dpick one, their stats are that close. But I give the nod to Piazza--behind LoDuca--based on career achievement. Similarly, how do you choose among Vizguel, Lopez, Rollins, Izturis, and Eckstein? There is no real standout over the rest, based on these first three months. So I reward Vizguel, who is the equal of these other guys this year, and their superior over his career.

21 posted on 06/27/2005 6:04:21 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: JohnnyZ; Personal Responsibility; newgeezer; SCALEMAN

Another real close call: Jim Edmonds vs. Andruw Jones. Edmonds had a much better year last year, and has the better last few years and career. So I give the nod to Edmonds, even though Jones might have a slight edge just on these first three months.


22 posted on 06/27/2005 6:06:50 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: steve8714
The All-Star game is just a beauty contest.

Actually, no. The winning league gets the home-field advantage in the World Series.

23 posted on 06/27/2005 6:08:09 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: SamFromLivingston
guys like Scott Rolen (5HR, .248 AVG 20 RBI) and Carlos Beltran (9, .262, 37) leading in their positions

Neither deserves to be on the team this year. Rolen you could almost understand, because he was excellent last year and the last few years, and there is otherwise a dearth at 3B in the NL. Beltran must be because of a) his sensational postseason last year, and b) the New York factor. But he is having a mediocre year, and there are many better outfielders this year.

24 posted on 06/27/2005 6:12:02 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: Charles Henrickson

There is a Red Sox player at every position...

Though it would be hard to vote against guys like Roberts and Tejada.


25 posted on 06/27/2005 6:57:40 PM PDT by ElTianti
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To: Charles Henrickson
I am amazed at Prince Alberts defense this year. He should get a gold glove.

As for the All Stars, I have ignored it ever since it became a popularity contest.

26 posted on 06/27/2005 7:42:47 PM PDT by SCALEMAN (Durbin now stands in Jane Fonda's shadow)
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To: Charles Henrickson
NATIONAL LEAGUE: 19 position, 13 pitchers (6 S, 7 R)
C: Johnny Estrada (ATL), Mike Piazza (NYM)
1B: Derrek Lee (CHC), Albert Pujols (STL), Carlos Delgado (FLA)
2B: Chase Utley (PHI), Jeff Kent (LAD)
SS: CLINT BARMES (Col - injured), Felipe Lopez (CIN), Alex Gonzalez (Fish)
3B: Aramis Ramirez (CHC), Morgan Ensberg (HOU)
OF: Andruw Jones (ATL), Adam Dunn (Cin), Jason Bay (PIT), Bobby Abreu (PHI), Miguel Cabrera (FLA), Jim Edmonds (STL), Moises Alou (SF)
Utility: Bill Hall (Mil)
P: Roger Clemens (HOU), Pedro Martinez (NYM), Dontrelle Willis (FLA), Chris Carpenter (STL), Jake Peavy (SD), Livan Hernandez (WSH); Chad Cordero (WSH), Jason Isringhausen (STL), Billy Wagner (PHI), Brad Lidge (HOU), Jay Witasick (COL), Chris Hammond (SD), Brandon Lyon (DBacks)

AMERICAN LEAGUE: 19 position (inc. 1 DH), 13 pitchers (6 S, 6 R)
C: Jason Varitek (BOS), Joe Mauer (Twinkies)
1B: Mark Texeira (TEX), Paul Konerko (ChiSox)
2B: Brian Roberts (BAL), Jorge Cantu (Tampa), Soriano (Tex)
SS: Miguel Tejada (BAL), Carlos Guillen (DET)
3B: Alex Rodriguez (NYY), Melvin Mora (O's), Eric Chavez (OAK)
OF: Vladimir Guerrero (LAA), Johnny Damon (BOS), Manny Ramirez (BOS); Gary Sheffield (NYY), Ichiro Suzuki (SEA), Emil Brown (KC) DH: David Ortiz (Bos)
P: Roy Halladay (TOR), Mark Buehrle (CHW), Bartolo Colon (LAA), Johan Santana (MIN), Jon Garland (CHW), Matt Clement (BOS), Kenny Rogers (Tex)
Mariano Rivera (NYY), Dustin Hermanson (CHW), Mike Timlin (BoSox), Arthur Rhodes (Tribe), BJ Ryan (O's), Everyday Eddie Guardado (M's)

Hope I counted right.

27 posted on 06/27/2005 8:05:06 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Charles Henrickson
If you only take into account the first three months of any season, you will get some flashes-in-the-pan

True -- see Jack Armstrong starting for the NL -- but you don't want to miss out on getting one of those near-stars an All-Star berth in what might be their career year, their only chance at being selected, IMO. Doesn't need to be all celebrities.

28 posted on 06/27/2005 8:08:23 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: JohnnyZ
That's a pretty good team, too. And we are agreed for the most part. In fact, we agree on 25 of 32 in each league (although some differences on starter/reserve).

Here are our differences on who makes the team:

NL
You have: Estrada, A. Gonzalez, Dunn, Alou, Hall, Hammond, Lyon
I have: LoDuca, Vizguel, C. Lee, L. Gonzalez, Oswalt, Smoltz, Hoffman

AL
You have: Mauer, Konerko, Cantu, Mora, Brown, Timlin, Rhodes
I have: Posada, I. Rodriguez, Sweeney, Jeter, Hunter, Crawford, Wickman

29 posted on 06/27/2005 8:40:22 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: JohnnyZ

I had Mora on my team, but had to bump him to make room for Chavez, my only A.


30 posted on 06/27/2005 8:42:28 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: Charles Henrickson

I am glad to see tek leading catchers. He has had an outstanding year. mueller at third should be higher up in the voting. I know A-rod will win But muellar is so under rated. He is Mr. Clutch also I would like to see Trot in there somewhere.


31 posted on 06/27/2005 8:53:14 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

BTW, John Kerry is voting for his favorite player, Manny Ortez.


32 posted on 06/27/2005 8:56:54 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: Charles Henrickson

I wonder if Kerry Has ever been to Fenway other than to throw out that limp wristed first pitch last year. He wouldnt know how to eat a fenway frank if it came with instructions.


33 posted on 06/27/2005 9:01:39 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Note that I have 5 BoSox on my squad, the most from any team--although tied with . . . the Yankees. The difference is, most of my BoSox are starters, and most of the Yanks are reserves.


34 posted on 06/27/2005 9:10:44 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Varitek, Damon, Ramirez, and Ortiz all deserve to be in the All-Star starting lineup--that's 4 of the 9! Nixon and Mueller? Close, but no cigar. Renteria is coming around to his usually good form, but it's not quite enough, with the other deserving shortstops in the league. Millar and Bellhorn? No way.

Clement has really stepped up to fill the void left by Pedro and Schill (and Lowe). Who else is in the rotation these days? Arroyo, Wakefield . . . ? Foulke is good once again as the closer, but not quite up to All-Star standards. Timlin is a good hold man.

The biggest surprise to me is how to Red Sox have managed to overcome the holes in their starting rotation.

35 posted on 06/27/2005 9:17:45 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Baseball fan)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Pete Rose
Frank Robinson
Gordie Coleman
Joe Nuxhall
Nolan Ryan

I'm a bit of a Reds fan...as if ya couldn't tell. I could add a lot more Reds...Vada Pinson...

36 posted on 06/28/2005 12:02:34 AM PDT by Khurkris (Still raining.)
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To: Khurkris

It appears I completely misunderstood this thread....never mind.


37 posted on 06/28/2005 12:05:49 AM PDT by Khurkris (Still raining.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

This is an artificial prize from an artificial man for an artificial victory. What do Cubs players care who gets home field in the World Series?


38 posted on 06/28/2005 6:26:34 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: Charles Henrickson
In fact, we agree on 25 of 32 in each league

Partly because I used your list as a starting point ;)

I had Mora on my team, but had to bump him to make room for Chavez, my only A.

I know what you mean. But I didn't want to punish Mora for the lack of stars on the A's. I even thought about Matt Stairs at DH instead of Chavez at 3rd, but it just wasn't gonna work. And yes I purposely excluded some of the "team of All-Stars" struggling along at .500 known as the Yankees.

The biggest surprise to me is how to Red Sox have managed to overcome the holes in their starting rotation.

Holes? Just because Arroyo isn't a name pitcher doesn't make him any less good. He's a solid #3 starter. And Wake is having a Great year -- when Mirabelli is catching him. He struggled a lot when 'tek was behind the plate, part coincidence, some tough opponents, but when he's missing his personal catcher that could have thrown him off. He was 4-2, 3.61 to start the year before Doug got hurt, and since Mirabelli's been back he's 2-0 with 1 ER in 22 innings. With 'tek, 0-4 with an ERA of about 9.00.

39 posted on 06/28/2005 8:55:05 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Charles Henrickson
The winning league gets the home-field advantage in the World Series.

That is so wrong. It should go to the team with the most wins. But that would make too much sense.

40 posted on 06/28/2005 8:56:52 AM PDT by dfwgator (Congratulations Longhorns.)
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