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Lord of the Rings - help needed (vanity)

Posted on 06/24/2005 7:13:06 AM PDT by hispanichoosier

I need help with LOTR. Two friends and I were discussing the books and movies last weekend. Friend 1 observed that the relationship between Frodo and Sam (in the movies) had homosexual overtones. Friend 2 retorted that the relationship is based on the master/servant relationship of old England and that Friend 1 was looking at it through American eyes, where rugged individualism is more prized. I--caught in the middle--had to admit that I thought that Sean Astin overplayed Sam at times but was great overall.

So, was Friend 1 right about the gay overtones, or was Friend 2's explanation correct? I'm rather at a loss over the whole debacle.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: aragorn; bilbo; fanboy; frodo; gandalf; lord; rings; sam; thisthreadisgay; tolkien
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To: stands2reason

Hmm - I could be wrong. I've been known to be!

:-)


241 posted on 06/24/2005 9:40:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Um, I just looked at your homepage.

I now fear for all people who desecrate the hobbit.

242 posted on 06/24/2005 9:44:30 PM PDT by carolinacrazy (What?!...That could never happen in a.... world.)
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To: carolinacrazy

~looks sideways~

What do you ~mean~?


243 posted on 06/24/2005 9:46:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

LOL!


244 posted on 06/24/2005 9:47:50 PM PDT by carolinacrazy (What?!...That could never happen in a.... world.)
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To: stands2reason
WHEN DID YOU GET TO HEAR THAT?!?!

would love to hear him sing more

do you know if he still talks of rooming with Dom here in the states? When they first talked about doing that after filming LOTR, my first thoughts were "Dom is gonna drag Billy down." Dom might do better staying in the UK.

245 posted on 06/24/2005 10:39:30 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Oh! Oh!" cried my idiot crew. "It's a ghoul - we are lost!" ~ Jack Aubrey)
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To: HairOfTheDog
If a certain someone HAD watched the movie, they might well learn what happens to CAVEcarolinacrazyTROLLS when they bust in on an other wise private discussion.

sheesh. seems like some are more obsessed with harrassing those who are actually passionate about something.

246 posted on 06/24/2005 10:43:09 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Oh! Oh!" cried my idiot crew. "It's a ghoul - we are lost!" ~ Jack Aubrey)
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To: stands2reason
Did the pics show up? :-)

yes, and my dog wants to growl at you for the sudden weight of a body falling in a big THUD! directly on top of him as he lay peacefully next to my chair, doin' nuttin' to nobody!!

247 posted on 06/24/2005 10:46:32 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Oh! Oh!" cried my idiot crew. "It's a ghoul - we are lost!" ~ Jack Aubrey)
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To: Alkhin

I thought Dom was living with Elijah.

But I believe he's in Hawaii now with LOST.

I thought Billy was happy in Scotland with his girlfriend. But what do I know?

I have Billeh singing "Hit Me" on MP3. If you want, Freepmail me your email addy and I'll send it to ya. And more pics, if you'd like.


248 posted on 06/24/2005 11:09:15 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: cyborg; Petronski

Awww, man, you snagged The Tronz?

How cool is that? I'm sooo jealous! :-)


249 posted on 06/24/2005 11:18:53 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: stands2reason

*lol* Isn't it cool? I sent him to sleep and I'm still awake. past my bedtime.


250 posted on 06/24/2005 11:20:12 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: stands2reason

I'm deeply flattered by your comments...but more importantly, by being 'landed' by cyborg. ;O)


251 posted on 06/24/2005 11:22:53 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: cyborg
Heh ha!
252 posted on 06/24/2005 11:23:22 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: Petronski

HEY!!! LOL this is too geeky.


253 posted on 06/24/2005 11:24:26 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

No lie, he's one of my favorite Freepers.

You too, as a matter of fact. :-)

Awwwww, I'm verklempt!

Talk amongst yourselves....
Here's a topic: Billy Boyd -- What exactly is he wearing underneath that kilt?


254 posted on 06/24/2005 11:25:45 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: stands2reason

thanks :-) As for Billy Boyd, well nothing I'm sure.


255 posted on 06/24/2005 11:26:33 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg
...too geeky.

Impossible!

256 posted on 06/24/2005 11:27:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: Petronski

Awwwwww...

*snorts into hankie*


257 posted on 06/24/2005 11:27:31 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: stands2reason

;O)


258 posted on 06/24/2005 11:29:51 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: cyborg; Petronski

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!

{{{{{{{cyborg}}}}}}}}}

{{{{{{{Petronski}}}}}}}}

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{cyborg+Petronski}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Okay, I'm okay now.

Wait, just one more heart - <3

There. All better now. :-)


259 posted on 06/24/2005 11:35:22 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: stands2reason

You've captured my mood perfectly. ;O)


260 posted on 06/24/2005 11:36:17 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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