[Hegewisch Dupa]

If the issue is the stupid quirky kind of masses you referenced, count me in your corner. They are not solemn, and the eight years of Jesuit indoctrination I was lucky enough to recieve tells me such things are not your best path of expressing AMDG -"for the great glory of God."

I was originally being facetious about your idea that 1960 masses are somehow superior to 1360 or 660 masses, but if you are going to bring up lack of respect for others experience continually - how DO you know the changes that took us to the 1960 version of mass are so damn better and actually count as improvements?

[xsmommy]

He argues, for instance, (again in language redolent of Justice Scalia) that the Church's centuries of liturgical tradition were essentially "demolished" in the late 1960s. And he knows why he thinks roll-your-own liturgies were a mistake: "When liturgy is self-made, then it can no longer give us what its proper gift should be: the encounter with the mystery that is not our own product but rather our origin and the source of our life." Disagree if you will, but this is more than simply, "No

[xsmommy]

again, i think the point is there WERE No changes in the Mass until vat2.