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Can a dietary supplement pick up the pieces? (joint pain)
NorthJerseyNewspapers ^ | 04.05.05 | CHARLES STUART PLATKIN

Posted on 04/07/2005 12:37:29 PM PDT by Coleus

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1 posted on 04/07/2005 12:37:29 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Useless garbage. Bextra (removed today) works far, far better.


2 posted on 04/07/2005 12:40:44 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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My father, now 77, has seen great benefit from Glucosamine and Condroitin.


3 posted on 04/07/2005 12:43:21 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Coleus

Yes I'm giving it a try, because an family friend, a real smart guy not given to hocus pocus swears by it, he has arthritis of the knees and he says it was recommended to it by his own doctor, who had been taking it for years himself

however I did hear recently a doctor who said, first of all you have to be diligent in taking the minimum recommended dosage every day, he said if you are going to get a positive effect, it will take about 3 months to show up and if you are one of the people it benefits, the effect starts to fade after a period of time which I thought was interesting


4 posted on 04/07/2005 12:46:06 PM PDT by llama hunter
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It's worked for my dog for 5 years. She has hip dysplasia and has been on a glucosamine preparation since she was 7. It's worked great - we haven't had to resort to NSAIDS yet (they're tough on the dogs liver so we're holding them back as a last resort).

DH also takes it for his knees. If he misses a few days his knees start to hurt again.

Great stuff, IMHO.

LQ


5 posted on 04/07/2005 12:48:54 PM PDT by LizardQueen
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To: Petronski; llama hunter
Avocado-Soybean Unsaponifiables sold as Avosoy, MSM, devil's claw and Fish Oils, will also help. Fish oil will help with stemming Alzheimer's and keep the blood thin and triglycerides low.
6 posted on 04/07/2005 12:49:50 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our beloved Pope John Paul II, May he Rest in Peace)
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To: Coleus; cyborg

Ping to my favorite health supplement specialist.


7 posted on 04/07/2005 12:53:58 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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That's how it all started, the vets were using glucosamine on race horses and it worked and as usual it took the orthodox medical establishment about 30 years to start recommending it to their patients, in some respects they are so advanced, can save a life in critical condition yet, when it comes to chronic diseases and using nutritional supplements, they are behind the curve.
8 posted on 04/07/2005 12:54:31 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our beloved Pope John Paul II, May he Rest in Peace)
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To: Petronski

Mine too : )


9 posted on 04/07/2005 12:55:24 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our beloved Pope John Paul II, May he Rest in Peace)
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I've been using Tart Cherry juice concentrate for a couple of years and it works better those other products for me.

Tart Cherry Juice

10 posted on 04/07/2005 1:00:53 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: Coleus

Now that the election is over, I can say that I had heard of the merits of raisins in gin long before that loopy tart from Fox Chapel burped about them.


Something in the raisin and something in the juniper berry (in the gin) work together to alleviate symptoms of osteoarthritis, but I don't remember exactly what.


11 posted on 04/07/2005 1:04:27 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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Well, its worked great for my cat. She had arthritis in her hips so severely she was dragging her back legs. At 12, she's not exactly kitten-like, but her mobility is very good (she can make the bed in one graceful leap) and she is no longer in pain. Anti-inflammatory drugs are NOT an option for felines.
12 posted on 04/07/2005 1:08:05 PM PDT by Roses0508
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My dog has been taking the glucosamine/chondroiten combo almost a year for arthritis and it has worked wonders on her.


13 posted on 04/07/2005 1:09:10 PM PDT by SeamusVA
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say does DH take the GS-Chondritin combo?

Which brand and how much? 1500 mg a day? 3 x 500 mg

I've never seen the one a day 1500 mg pill the study talks about, that would be great hmmmm


14 posted on 04/07/2005 1:31:38 PM PDT by llama hunter
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To: cowboyway

Thanks.

I know cherries as well as celery juice are great for preventing the gout.


15 posted on 04/07/2005 1:37:00 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our beloved Pope John Paul II, May he Rest in Peace)
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It's made by Schiff and I think it's a 2000 mg pill but not 100% sure. It's a big 'un, though, at least 1000 mg, and is in a brown bottle with a red and white label. I can't remember if its Glucosamine plus chondroitin, or just the glucosamine.

We both recently starting taking MSM, too - a lot of companies compound all 3 into 1 pill but since he already had other stuff separately he just bought some straight MSM pills to go with it.
I had heard MSM works on carpal tunnel so I'm trying it for that.

LQ


16 posted on 04/07/2005 1:41:31 PM PDT by LizardQueen
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thanks LQ, this is the first time I heard about MSM, I'll have to look it up.....

they are horse pills huh......


17 posted on 04/07/2005 1:45:52 PM PDT by llama hunter
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Yes I'm giving it a try, because an family friend, a real smart guy not given to hocus pocus swears by it, he has arthritis of the knees

I,too, am intensely sensitive to anything that smacks of snake oil. However I have been using glucosamine/chondroitin, providing a total of 1500 mg of glucosamine a day for well over a year now. The impact on my knee pain is impressive--in fact, the pain is gone.

I have tried going off the supplement and find that the pain starts to return if I do.

18 posted on 04/07/2005 1:46:30 PM PDT by freespirited
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They have to improve the reporting on things like this.

Nothing is the cure for everybody -- nor are risks equal for everyone. For those that it works, it works 100% -- and for those it doesn't, it works 0%. It doesn't work 75% for everybody.

That's pretty much how it is with all phenomena and experiences. Yours is the 100% truth of what it is -- for you. Somebody else's is the 100% truth for them. If something is promising and nothing else is, it makes sense to give it a shot. The amazing thing is that in some people, results are even instantaneous because of their hypersensitivity -- while others may not notice the difference for months; and then they'll be the one in a million who has an allergic reaction. But that we'll back off everything that anybody has shown a toxicity to or unfavorable reaction is ludicrous -- just as maintaining that any cure must work for everyone.

I recall about ten years or so ago bringing up the glucosamine cure to my local Arthritis Foundation and being told, "Anybody who claims they have a cure for arthritis is a con artist." Now, the Arthritis Foundation's chief fund raiser is the book on alternative cures for arthritis, insisting that they wrote the book on this subject matter -- when they used to be discrediting those who did.

As one person scolded me, "Mr. H--, I don't think you understand the purpose of our organization. We're not here to cure arthritis; we're here to raise money to cure arthritis."


19 posted on 04/07/2005 2:28:57 PM PDT by MikeHu
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It's worked for my dog for 5 years. She has hip dysplasia and has been on a glucosamine preparation since she was 7. It's worked great - we haven't had to resort to NSAIDS yet (they're tough on the dogs liver so we're holding them back as a last resort). DH also takes it for his knees. If he misses a few days his knees start to hurt again.

Mrs. B was having so much discomfort from the plate in her neck that a few months ago, she was literally kicking me out of bed every night. I suggested she switch from the more modern celebrex to old-fashioned, enteric asprin, and try glucosamine and MSM.

It's made all the difference in the world- she rests comfortably now.

The old dog (12) takes a lighter dose as well. FWIW, the vet tells us that in dogs, relief is highly individuallistic-- some behave like a much younger dog, others get no relief at all.

20 posted on 04/07/2005 2:44:49 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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