Posted on 04/07/2005 2:59:57 AM PDT by schmelvin
Still waiting for the show of hands..... Excellent point!
The solution? Heart, mind and soul working as one. Innovation, cussed-American ingenuity, and Japanese robotic fancies turned to the cause of making long-term care less burdensome and less expensive. Doable by 80 year old caretakers caring for 105 year old parents.
(1) If anyone needs my personal info- please Freepmail me.
(2) If you have asked questions or posted things to me and I have not replied directly- please forgive me! I am juggling quite a bit of contacts- and information gathering and dissemination.
(3) I am setting up a .com site that will be dedicated to saving people from events such as with Terri and Mae.
As soon as it is up and running- I will give you all the details. THis .com- is going to be different than my blog. It is going to be a TEAM EFFORT!
Please remember to focus on Mae getting what she needs- HYDRATION AND NUTRITION! We can argue about other things later. But let's give Mae the chance she deserves- FIRST!
Thanks to all of you!!
ALSO
There is a lot info that you all have gathered and posted etc- since I went to bed last night. Give me some time to get all this together! LOL!
Thanks!
PS- I talked to Kenneth last nite!
The thing I see as the most effective thing we can do right now- is to SWAMP Rita Cosby with Email! GIVE HER KENNETHS phone # (205) 408-7598!
Tell her to call him- leave links to his press releases and the WND and the LaGrange articles too PLEASE! BUT PUT KENNETHS PHONE # AT THE TOP!
WE NEED TO GET HER TO TALK TO THE SOURCE!!!
Thanks!
Sherri
Let me put it this way, please.
What if George Soros used euthanasia, or FORCED euthanasia, to kill one of your loved ones, or mine, plus many other folks' loved ones.
Would that be OK just because he contributed $$ for a good cause (IF he did)?
Hospice can enroll any patient it wants to if its acting under good faith. There is in most cases a disagreement in diagnosis between physicians and family members. Teh six month rule is idiotic because you cannot predict with absolute certantiy when someone will die. HOw many hospice pacients have you caed for that have died right on schedual? That's ridiculous. 10 years ago my aunt had breast cancer that speard to her lymp nodes. Even with agressive treatment she was given only six months to live. So her admitted herself into hospice care. She died four years later. Should I sue the hospice for admitting her.
Did Terri Schiavo have a countdown timer on her butt that ssid for certainty when she was going to die? According to the AMA PVS is a terminal state that will not improve. Guess what you may disagree with that diagnosis, but it does fall under the Federal guidelines for hospice care. And now this 80 some odd year old woman with diabeties has an aortic dissection and your debating the six month guideline with me? HELLO six months to live at that age with those problems! Not a stretch by any means of the imagination. Go find the actual regulations governing hospice care and read the entire text for yourself.
Oh and your second problem is the the brother and sister live in Alabama not Georgia where the grandaughter resides apparently with the grandmother.
Can we impeach Bush for killing innocent Iraqis. Or do they not count.
Oh, for Pete's sake..
Do you hear yourself?
you are so silly.. it is like listening to a 12 year old. My 15 year old son could see through your rhetoric..
Cute- but just a waste of our time..
Get back to us when you grow up...
But thanks for the laugh this morning-- I needed it!
1) Write a good living will.
2) Fight to get people to respect living wills
Nah. If you you don't have a trusted family or close friend, hire (pay) a doctor, clergy or lawyer to represent your wishes. Written directives are too moldable, no matter what the text is. A live person, OTOH, can adapt to the shyster judges, insurance, and assorted other agents of death.
No, I would go after him for that, just as I have condemned him for his campaign tactics. But I would not necessarily condemn his organization if it had nothing to do with the issue at hand.
I suspect that are charged with determining a course of treatment for the dissection. Mae's sister has a dissection too, and was treated with medication and rest. So, the debate that I imagine between these three doctors is between the available courses of treatment for Mae's condition, where all of those courses of treatment are aimed at sustaining life. I.e., which course has the best chance of success. I would guess that none of the recommended courese of treatment will consist entirely of withholding nutrition and hydration.
There was a report that counsel for hospice would have Mae dischrged if she was intubated, i.e., that she would no longer be certifiably terminal if given life sustaining nutrition and hydration.
(4) In the case of a resident who has not been adjudged incompetent
by the State court, any legal-surrogate designated in accordance with
State law may exercise the resident's rights to the extent provided by
State law.
Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 42, Volume 3,Page 502-571]
Notice it says any legal surrogate and the words state law.
The other relatives live in a different state, therefore they are not subject directly to the state law. The granddaughter was the closest living legal next of kin.
I'm cute for quoting to you from the Federal and state codes? I have them in front of me that's how I can give you the page numbers.
And that is not retoric is is a legitmate philisophical question which you sidestepped using one of the oldest debateing techniques. Belittleing the questioner.
This entire argument is academic for us. We are not part of there family. You have only one side of the story, that of the people who want your help to sway procedure in their direction. I do hear myself! I hear myself asking tough questions to both sides to see if they are thinking anything beyond kneejerk emotional reactions. So far nothing.
What if Tom DeLay used force to order a loved one keep alive against your wishes? Is that not the same thing?
Your "questioins" demand a "smoking gun" type of evidence. Sorry, but i am not privy to the listed expenditures of the various hospices. I am convicting on circumstantial evidence.
vaudine
Not sure where you are going with this. Why Tom Delay? And why an order to keep alive? Not trying to be a smart a$$, just want to be sure exactly what you want.
Sec. 418.22 Certification of terminal illness.
(a) Timing of certification--(1) General rule. The hospice must
obtain written certification of terminal illness for each of the periods
listed in Sec. 418.21, even if a single election continues in effect for
two, three, or four periods, as provided in Sec. 418.24(c).
(2) Basic requirement. Except as provided in paragraph (a)(3) of
this section, the hospice must obtain the written certification no later
than two calendar days after the period begins.
(3) Exception. For the initial 90-day period, if the hospice cannot
obtain the written certifications within two calendar days, it must
obtain oral certifications within two calendar days, and written
certifications no later than eight calendar days after the period
begins.
(b) Content of certification. The certification must specify that
the individual's prognosis is for a life expectancy of 6 months or less
if the terminal illness runs its normal course.
(c) Sources of certification. (1) For the initial 90-day period, the
hospice must obtain written certification statements (and oral
certification statements if required under paragraph (a)(3) of this
section) from--
(i) The medical director of the hospice or the physician member of
the hospice interdisciplinary group; and
(ii) The individual's attending physician if the individual has an
attending physician.
(2) For subsequent periods, the only requirement is certification by
one of the physicians listed in paragraph (c)(1)(i) of this section.
(d) Maintenance of records. Hospice staff must--
(1) Make an appropriate entry in the patient's medical record as
soon as they receive an oral certification; and
(2) File written certifications in the medical record.
[55 FR 50834, Dec. 11, 1990, as amended at 57 FR 36017, Aug. 12, 1992]
[Page 694-695]
Take special note of part B of the ACTUAL FEDERAL CODE that governs hospice care. If they took the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo the terminal illness would kill her in roughly 2 weeks, which I believe is what happened. Also, this particular regulation governs medicaid patient reimbursement, Terri was not on medicaid when she first entered the hospice therefore was not subjuect to this particular regulation.
Again from someone evasion. If you cannot explain both sides of an argumant how do you know what you are argueing against. I say Tom Delay because he is the one who put forth the measures in congress to "save" Terri Schiavo. You could easily picked Jeb Bush. or how about John Ashcroft? He forced the feeding tube back into Nacy Cruzan against her fathers wishes. Let's ask her father how he felt about that.
I was being straightforward with you, not evading. I first thought you were referring to federal intervention. Nor am I at all sure what one has to do with the other. I thought I explained the dichotomy between Soros' PDIA grants and Soros' political beliefs. My belief is that it was none of the federal governments business! Bad things can happen in accord with the Tenth Amendment. If the federal government is the be all and end all, then we are not a republic. If states have any rights as per the Tenth Amendment, but those rights must be first approved by the federal government, then they have no rights. I have no idea how Cruzan's father felt or feels.
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