RUSH: Live Thread - Schiavo vs Elian - Compare and Contrast

[fishtank]

Rush: The 11th Circuit Court had said "No" to Johnny Reno, but she went ahead and took custody of Elian anyway...........................

[Not A Snowbird]

Is Rush really saying that since J. Reno violated the law, it is OK for us to do the same?

I'm not hearing him say that... yet.

[Diogenesis]

Jeb Bush could have gone to take a look for HIMSELF, maybe even a photograph.

But then,

[sheikdetailfeather]

Rush points out that Terri Schiavo's medical condition has been misrepresented and the media perpetuates it so public opinion goes against Governor Bush going in. He also points out that the Clinton Justice Dept. did what they wanted and had the support of the media and public even though they went against the two courts.

[dirtboy]

It also shows that Jeb and Dubya have the power to step in and save Terri,,,if they really wanted to.

Ah, so Bush and/or Jeb should emulate Slick and Reno's blatant abuse of power with Elian? I'd hope not.

[TBP]

"The judges ahve made their decision. Now let them enforce it."

[fishtank]

To cubicle bound: Rush is now comparing Tom DeLay's dad's case to that of Terry Schindler.

[Double Tap]

All that may be true. It doesn't justify our following in the steps of the Clinton administration.

[dirtboy]

"The judges ahve made their decision. Now let them enforce it."

They did, apparently, at the local police level.

[fishtank]

Judges are often wrong. Their mistakes must be resisted.

[ex 98C MI Dude]

They did order Elian deported, but they had to ignore Federal immigration law in order to make that order.

If a Cuban citizen arrives on our shores, they are automatically allowed to apply for asylum due to the Castro regimes cruel and inhumane aspects. The 11th didn't see fit to 'give' Elian that right, because he wasn't an adult. The law doesn't say that he had to be an adult. So the 11th 'interpreted' the law to mean he had to be.

The rationale behind all of this, IIRC, was that since the mother 'kidnapped' her son in order to make the trip to the US, the father's guardianship rights trumped Elian's human rights. It was, in retrospect, a precursor to the Shindler-Schiavo case. The question decided there leads directly to now. Does a guardians 'right' to make a decision trump the wards right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

The answer, disturbingly enough, seems to be yes.

[sheikdetailfeather]

per Rush: "Nobody had to KILL Tom Delay's father in order for him to die."

[elli1]

Fund talks about what Reno did in this WSJ article:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110006480

[Fan_Of_Ingraham]

A Court order?

If a court ordered me not to kill someone who is presenting an imminent threat to the life of myself and my family, am I obliged to the court to not do so?

[Servant of the 9]

I cannot agree the Judge Greer's flatulence is the "law".

Sorry, but it is.
If you don't like a law, get it changed, but don't whine about getting a strict judge that enforces the law as it is.

SO9

[Double Tap]

No. But that is a red herring anyway as the court will not be there at the time to make a ruling like that.

[sheikdetailfeather]

A good question Rush asks is: Are food and water ..medical assistance?

[Fan_Of_Ingraham]

Exactly which law was Greer adhering to?

[fishtank]

Just because Dred Scott was a court ruling, doesn't make it good, true, right or even "the law".

[jkramos]

"And it was wrong, and we still hate her for it.
We should hate either Bush just as much if they flaunted the law so brazenly."

I TOTALLY disagree. The Florida constitution states in Article I, Section 2, that "[a]ll natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law, and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life ... ." According to the Constitution, "no person shall be deprived of any right [including the right to enjoy life] because of ... physical disability."

The governor has the supreme executive power and the constitutional duty, stated in Article 4, Section 1, to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed," – and he took an oath of office stating the same. He is SWORN to uphold uphold the constitution, and IS OBLIGATED to safeguard our constitutional guarantee of the "inalienable right ... to enjoy and defend life," regardless of physical disability.

Jeb Bush MAY NOT disregard that obligation, even if a member of the judiciary has ordered otherwise. He is NOT bound by a court order that is AT ODDS WITH A CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEE!! What part of that are people NOT getting?????

Thomas Jefferson said, "[T]o consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy." Maybe some of us should look up what those words mean??

Abraham Lincoln had the backbone to disregard the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Dred Scott when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. It wasn’t EASY but it WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!

Jeb Bush has to choose between the clear mandate of Florida's constitution and a judiciary which, in this case, IS RUNNING AMOK and has acted in defiance of that state supreme law.

A rogue judge CANNOT tell a governor he can't obey the law. Florida’s law ALLOWS the DCF to intervene. Even by asking whether or not a judge can or should be defied shows our ignorance of our own laws and we end up playing into the hands of judicial tyrants such as Greer. By the way, ARE YOU AWARE that one of Greer’s last rulings resulted in a woman being stabbed to death by her husband because he REFUSED to grant a protective order?

Rogue judges are NOT a law unto themselves – even though they (and some uninformed people) think they are. Jeb Bush is the last hope in this matter... barring a miracle of some type.

I must admit that I've wondered what all these people who are just licking their chops over Terri's death would do if God reached down and touched her and COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY restored her and she got up with all of her senses and memory intact. What would they do then? Shoot her because Greer said she's supposed to die? This is how ridiculous and preposterous this has become.

If Jeb Bush is afraid to do his duty, I do not believe that he will hold another term in office. I think God will raise someone else up who will take the hard right over the easy wrong.

[Fan_Of_Ingraham]

Let's say we have an expectant mother who is diabetic and turns out that her doctor tells he that she has a 95% chance of dying should she carry the baby to full term.

If a Judge orders her to have an abortion in order to save her life, should she?