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POLL? Who's the villain in the Terri Schiavo case?
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| 3/24/05
| AZ Righty
Posted on 03/24/2005 11:50:52 AM PST by AZ Righty
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To: AZ Righty
Sure, there are people who are simply opposed to the right to die in any context. I'd call this type of conservative hypocritical. But in Terri's case, I think there are many
more of us who simply don't think that Michael Schaivo is trying to act in Terri's interest. There's a deep injustice being done
in this particular case.
IOW, this case smells.
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posted on
03/24/2005 11:58:02 AM PST
by
jennyp
(WHAT I'M READING NOW: my post)
To: AZ Righty
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posted on
03/24/2005 11:58:04 AM PST
by
mcg1969
To: AZ Righty
In my mind, the issue is not big vs. little gov., but simply whether the judge faithfully applied the actual law to the actual facts. I don't think he did. He twisted the facts so that they'd support what he wanted to do. That's not something a conservative can support.
As a conservative, I don't think that the government ought to override the wishes of Terri Schiavo. On the other hand, it is not at all clear to me that it is trying to do so. Just because the husband says it is, doesn't make it so. We can't give the husband sole unchecked authority to determine whether his wife lives or dies. Greer did not apply the law to the actual facts. He pretty much rubber-stamped what the husband said. No point in having a judge in the process at all if all he's going to do is rubber stamp someone else's position. He's got to do a meaningful review, and apply the law to the actual facts--not some fictional version of the facts that was invented to justify what he wanted to do anyway.
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posted on
03/24/2005 11:58:23 AM PST
by
writer33
("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
To: Juan Medén
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posted on
03/24/2005 11:58:41 AM PST
by
big'ol_freeper
(World Series Champion Boston Red Sox!! Has a nice ring to it.)
To: Juan Medén
Who's the villain? You are. You and people like you who are incapable of distinguishing between justice and intrusion.Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner.
To: AZ Righty
The government (the court) has granted this man the permission to murder his wife via neglect, and to prevent anyone else from interceding--more than that, actually, the judge outlined the process. Is that the kind of limited government you're advocating?
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posted on
03/24/2005 11:59:12 AM PST
by
atomicpossum
(Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
To: Blogger
To: AZ Righty
Privacy is what the left uses to justify abortion. I wonder if the government should stay out of it if I was to "privately" murder my spouse.
Government is obligated to ensure that a persons constitutional rights are not abridged. In this case, they have been, including Terri's religious rights and her due process rights.
What bedroom are we discussing here? The hospice bed? As for the Big Government argument, please read Article III and IV of the Constitution. You may be surprised about the power of Congress over the judiciary.
Also, I am completely unreligious, but I believe in the sanctity of man's life and I do not err on the side of death when when there is doubt about the person's wishes.
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To: AZ Righty
"I think the government and the parents are the villain..."OH! OH! I think you just put your
You are wrong.
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:00:21 PM PST
by
Spunky
("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
To: AZ Righty
Big government? So gov't protecting the life of a disabled woman against a bigamist husband who wants to starve her to death is overreaching? If gov't should not act then, then gov't has no reason to exist at all.
If the state court denied the bigamist his "right" to starve his wife to death, would you have favored federal court intervention to protect his "privacy rights"?
What about Terri's rights? The bigamist has no proof that this was her desire. This is HIS desire, and it isn't hard to figure out his motive -- certainly not a what's best for Terri motive.
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:00:25 PM PST
by
The Ghost of FReepers Past
(Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
To: Brilliant
As a conservative, I don't think that the government ought to override the wishes of Terri Schiavo. On the other hand, it is not at all clear to me that it is trying to do so. Just because the husband says it is, doesn't make it so. We can't give the husband sole unchecked authority to determine whether his wife lives or dies. Greer did not apply the law to the actual facts. He pretty much rubber-stamped what the husband said. No point in having a judge in the process at all if all he's going to do is rubber stamp someone else's position. He's got to do a meaningful review, and apply the law to the actual facts--not some fictional version of the facts that was invented to justify what he wanted to do anyway.Why that's brilliant!
:)
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:00:27 PM PST
by
writer33
("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
To: writer33
So far as I know, murder is a crime, even if the victim is willing. God said, "Thou shall not kill".
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:00:27 PM PST
by
tessalu
( A)
To: AZ Righty
Do you want the courts to have the right to kill you on the hearsay of an estranged spouse? I don't.
Schiavo wants to marry the mother of his 2 kids in Catholic church. Can't do that if the current wife is alive and divorced.
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:00:43 PM PST
by
DJ MacWoW
(Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
To: jennyp
I'd call this type of conservative hypocritical.You would be misusing the term if you did. Wrong, perhaps. Inconsistent, perhaps. But hypocritical, no.
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:00:56 PM PST
by
mcg1969
To: Borges
>>>
My blame goes to the Schindler's terrible legal team.<<< Two of which, I heard, have made donations to Judge Greer's re-election fund.
This is a huge conflict of interest - did I hear right?
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:01:31 PM PST
by
HardStarboard
(With Lebanon simmering, Iran on medium-high, whose next? I vote Syria....lets turn up the heat!)
To: AZ Righty
One of the things that conservatives believe government should do is to protect those who are incapable of protecting themselves, and who have no other means of protection. I believe Terri comes under that definition.
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:01:35 PM PST
by
clintonh8r
(Heteronormative and PROUD!!)
To: tessalu
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:01:51 PM PST
by
writer33
("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
To: tessalu
JUDGE GREER JUST REFUSED.
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posted on
03/24/2005 12:01:56 PM PST
by
Spunky
("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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