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To: northernlightsII

"I have to presume that he has access to much stronger legal advisors and strategists then the SChiavo family and that is why I think the DCF approach is the one that is going to get it done."


I think so too. DCF has been informed of possible abuse, neglect. They HAVE to investigate whether Greer likes it or not. They officially informed him of this today, he denied the motion but he really cannot stop this. The Dr that examined her today, at DCF request, says she IS NOT in a PVS. Withholding food and fluids from someone not in a PVS as they have done to Terri is abuse and I think DCF will find so. I also believe they will find other abuses as well. Unfortunately, the wheels are turning slowly. I think Greer will land on his butt on this. Prayers for Terri and her family.


95 posted on 03/24/2005 12:54:53 AM PST by pies
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To: pies

"I think Greer will land on his butt on this."

That's the conclusion I have been coming to these past couple hours. I heard on the news that the Supreme Court has previously turned down appeals, but this brief mentions the new evidence of the Social Serivce petition.

Tell me how the Supreme Court can let a woman die of starvation who, new evidence shows, is not even PVS?? They could remand it back down, I suppose. I can't see them propping up Greer's mistakes. I just can't see that happening.

But it is agonizingly slow. If it is for us, and it is or we wouldn't be here at 4am -- imagine the family and Terri.


127 posted on 03/24/2005 1:08:03 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: pies

That seem like the reasonable interpretation,my only worry is that in all this legal imbroglio the legal adjudicators(i refuse to call them justices)have failed to rule reasonnably.


133 posted on 03/24/2005 1:10:30 AM PST by northernlightsII
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To: pies
DCF has been informed of possible abuse, neglect. They HAVE to investigate whether Greer likes it or not. They officially informed him of this today, he denied the motion but he really cannot stop this.

Greer's injunction to the DCF is his desperate shot to slow things down before the details in Terri's case get busted out into the open and his many judicial mistakes and misdemeanors are plastered all over the media.

He's just admitted one of his serious errors and it alone should be grounds for reversal of Greer's case.

IOW, Greer now has a compelling vested interest in Terri's death--and the longer he can hold off Governor Bush and the DCF,the better chance everything will be rendered moot by Terri's death.

All the perps in this case will walk free.

But the Florida legislature, in one of its more cogent actions, created a path around any corrupt member of the Judicial Branch--especially Judges of Probate. Let's pray the Governor--as Chief Executive--triggers the DCF to act.


The 2004 Florida Statutes

415.1051 Protective services interventions when capacity to consent is lacking; nonemergencies; emergencies; orders; limitations.--

2)EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE SERVICES INTERVENTION.--If the department has reasonable cause to believe that a vulnerable adult is suffering from abuse or neglect that presents a risk of death or serious physical injury to the vulnerable adult and that the vulnerable adult lacks the capacity to consent to emergency protective services, the department may take action under this subsection. If the vulnerable adult has the capacity to consent and refuses consent to emergency protective services, emergency protective services may not be provided.

(b)Emergency removal from premises.--If it appears that the vulnerable adult lacks the capacity to consent to emergency protective services and that the vulnerable adult, from the personal observations of the representative of the department and specified medical personnel or law enforcement officers, is likely to incur a risk of death or serious physical injury if such person is not immediately removed from the premises, then the representative of the department shall transport or arrange for the transportation of the vulnerable adult to an appropriate medical or protective services facility in order to provide emergency protective services. Law enforcement personnel have a duty to transport when medical transportation is not available or needed and the vulnerable adult presents a threat of injury to self or others. If the vulnerable adult's caregiver or guardian is present, the protective investigator must seek the caregiver's or guardian's consent pursuant to subsection (4) before the vulnerable adult may be removed from the premises, unless the protective investigator suspects that the vulnerable adult's caregiver or guardian has caused the abuse, neglect, or exploitation. The department shall, within 24 hours after providing or arranging for emergency removal of the vulnerable adult, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays, petition the court for an order authorizing emergency protective services.

171 posted on 03/24/2005 1:33:27 AM PST by henbane
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