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Do we have a RADIOLOGIST on the board?
VANITY ^ | 19 March, 3005 | VANITY

Posted on 03/19/2005 6:26:21 PM PST by Servant of the 9

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This is supposed to be
Terri Schiavo's CAT scan
from the last court case.


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To: KDD

Any physician knows what that space is. Are you talking of some other structure on the scan. No neurologist would make statements about the clinical state of the patient based on one cut on a ct scan knowing nothing else. All he would say is there is no tumor, that kind of thing. He could not say she was comatose or in a PVS.


21 posted on 03/19/2005 6:48:41 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: amom

That's okay.
We're all a little...no...a *lot* upset right now.....:)


22 posted on 03/19/2005 6:49:15 PM PST by Salamander
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To: Killborn

Not only that, I know to avoid any strange Blancmange I may happen upon.


23 posted on 03/19/2005 6:49:59 PM PST by Salamander
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Not a radiologist, but the large black areas are enlarged ventricles, likely secondary to the fact that there is a very little or no normal brain tissue present. There also appears to be a ventriculostomy tube in place which is the bright white area in the middle (likely a portion of a CSF shunt), although on one slice I can't be sure. I should also say that you might see a somewhat similar picture in people/children with congenital brain anomalies (ie, born with a brain that never developed and formed properly). I can't tell you if that is really her CT scan, but I can tell you that the type and amount of brain damage you are seeing in this picture is devastating and irreversible.


24 posted on 03/19/2005 6:50:29 PM PST by 95Tarheel
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To: DJ MacWoW

A pet scan would be better than either. It shows the function and metabolism taking place iin the brain. You have seen the colors and how they light up when a person responds to stimuli.

I think the PET would show the most. Just knowing the anatomy as you see on the CT or the MRI is not as good. Although they do functional MRIs that show more. PETS are now available everywhere. We have one in little old BR.


25 posted on 03/19/2005 6:51:47 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Servant of the 9; bad company

I am not a radiologist, but I have seen quite a large number of CAT, MRI, and PET scans of people with extensively compromised CN systems.
This looks nowhere near as bad as I was led to believe.
the ventricles are huge, yes. however, there appears to be extensive extant normal density neocortex. It would help to have the full sectional series to build a better understanding of what is damaged and what isn't.


26 posted on 03/19/2005 6:53:43 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Salamander

And flying whales! Don't forget flying whales!


27 posted on 03/19/2005 6:54:25 PM PST by Killborn (God bless Terri.)
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To: 95Tarheel

I don't know about her function based on that scan. Do you think it is possible to say with certainty that she is in a persistant veg state or comatose based on that pic.

Seems you can say she has had devastating brain loss from terrible insult. But is she anything approaching that which we have been led to believe, with any degree of certainty. I wouldn't say so without an extensive neuro eval and I do think a PET would help alot.

Just my opinion!


28 posted on 03/19/2005 6:54:53 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: 95Tarheel

And b4 any jerk tells me thanks for nothing simply b/c I'm not a radiologist, well, I know enough to answer the question, and I've spent many months working with neuroradiologists, and I hope to end up in a career in neuroradiology. I'm sure a radiologist could tell you a little bit more, like the specific names of some of the smaller structures, but the major finding is the lack of normal brain.


29 posted on 03/19/2005 6:55:31 PM PST by 95Tarheel
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To: cajungirl

I forgot about PETs. I've seen them and they're amazing. I read a report about prayer that had PETs. When praying, part of the brain "lights" that doesn't at any other time. It was just amazing to see.


30 posted on 03/19/2005 6:55:53 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Salamander

Thanks.

You're also good at understatements. ;-)


31 posted on 03/19/2005 6:56:17 PM PST by amom (NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE HUMAN SPIRIT)
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To: King Prout

yep, I have seen ct scans of very old people worse than this and they are walking and talking but demented.


32 posted on 03/19/2005 6:56:46 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: 95Tarheel
...but I can tell you that the type and amount of brain damage you are seeing in this picture is devastating and irreversible.

That's about all I can deduce from this image of Terri's brain.

33 posted on 03/19/2005 6:57:57 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: cajungirl

yep.
I do believe it would be a very, VERY good idea to put Terry through a full PET workup with data presented in 3D model format, time-stamped, and tracking stimulus response patterns.


34 posted on 03/19/2005 6:58:44 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: 95Tarheel

Thanks for your input.


35 posted on 03/19/2005 6:58:56 PM PST by amom (NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE HUMAN SPIRIT)
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To: Servant of the 9
I'm no Radiologist, but just using common sense that's a f'#ked up looking brain,

Oh, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night =)
36 posted on 03/19/2005 6:59:02 PM PST by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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To: Servant of the 9
Normal CT (but remember, the levels are not the same).


37 posted on 03/19/2005 6:59:08 PM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: DJ MacWoW

They are. And they can show if a person is responding! In the PVS the person is supposedly unresponsive. I would love to see a pet when Terri's mom walked in the room or when she was supposedly responding. That would tell us so very much. And it is easy, non invasive and quick. And would tell us what parts of the brain were able to function.


38 posted on 03/19/2005 6:59:40 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl; King Prout
yep, I have seen ct scans of very old people worse than this and they are walking and talking but demented.

I've learned that in some cases the brain can rewire itself many times during a persons life, especially in the instance when parts of the brain suddenly quit functioning. Not true in all cases, but the brain is a complex network that man is only beginning to understand through exploration.

39 posted on 03/19/2005 7:00:58 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: amom

Did you read Salamander's entire comment? HIS looks like that and he's a Freeper!


40 posted on 03/19/2005 7:01:31 PM PST by pieces of time
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