Posted on 03/07/2005 6:58:29 AM PST by Gefreiter
If anyone owns or has experience with a S&W 457 or Ruger P97 I'd like to hear from you. I'm considering these models but can afford only one. Mission will be range gun with occasional carry.
I live close enough to S&W to buy from the factory, which puts the Smith and this model Ruger in the same price range.
Any advice concerning these weapons is welcome.
Thanks in advance,
g
D,
A friend of mine was a cannon cocker in 1AD during DS.
We were roommates for a bit when we were undergrads. I always knew it when he was the last one to watch our TV; I'd come home, turn it on, and the volume would be BLASTING!
One rifle I would have loved to have fired, the M-4 carbine.
I found the M-16 to be too long for my arm length and body size, but the shorter M-4 would have been perfect for my size.
Never got the chance as artillery units 'are not authorized' to have the M-4.
I like my music with lots of bass, and I still have my hearing, no loss of hearing.
(Triflange earplugs work really well.)
Odd thing though, high pitched tones I shouldn't be able to hear -I can hear them.
Like dog whistles.
I can hear dog whistles.
Next door neighbor trains Labs, and every time he blows that dog whistle, I can hear it.
:(
But I did love being in artillery.
The thump through your chest and through your feet as teh howitzer fires, and the smell of that smoke.
Nothing better.
X,
Are you intimating that you find the Glock 30 to be more reliable than the Smith and Ruger models in question? Or are you speaking in general terms?
I understand that semis in general can be picky about ammo manufacturer/load, and some weapons simply take sustained fire better than others before misfire, stovepipe, what have you. Would you say that Glocks are not as finicky about what they're fed than the others?
If so, couldn't one also say that regular maintenance and cleaning contribute to reliability, moreso than the weapon design or manufacturer?
G
....some day, I hope to manouver myself into firing my childhood "favorite" .45 "grease gun"...with the tankers' "around the corner" elbow barrel. I bet archy has one!
The ctgs. like .30 carbine and .45ACP are not so dependent upon barrel length for effectiveness. The dandy little CAR-16/15 has been reported to suffer from low velocity, and therefore "stop." The .223 bullet is very effective at high velocities because it is short, and actually tumbles after impact, veering wildly, and breaking to pieces at the cannelure...quite nasty.
Are you intimating that you find the Glock 30 to be more reliable than the Smith and Ruger models in question? Or are you speaking in general terms?
I understand that semis in general can be picky about ammo manufacturer/load, and some weapons simply take sustained fire better than others before misfire, stovepipe, what have you. Would you say that Glocks are not as finicky about what they're fed than the others?
If so, couldn't one also say that regular maintenance and cleaning contribute to reliability, moreso than the weapon design or manufacturer?
G
84 posted on 03/07/2005 12:22:08 PM MST by Gefreiter (When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)
When I train NRA Certified Instructors
to train Basic Pistol students in Personal Protection,
The first topic is the gun functionally reliable?
Any gun in the proper hands can be made reliable.
But what is the cost to the gun and the operator?
Before the need or during the need.
Contact idpa for commonly carried guns and their cost.
I hope this helps
In His Forever Grip
chuck
Wasn't so much worried about lower velocity, I was more worried about the length of the weapon and the fact that it was way too loud for people trying to be quiet like to use even in a defensive role.
(I was on the advance party security sweep. If we ran into 'opfor' it was usually at close range and tehy usually had 'friends' nearby.)
I was thinking of the M-4 in it's specops use with the sound suppressor attached.
But, my unit, as mentioned, wasn't 'authorized' such things.
*sigh*
Was impressed with the M-249 SAW.
X,
I will spend some time with that link later.
Thanks for your input and the other links, too.
Best,
G
You are more than welcome.
Stay safe.
Praise His Holy Name
chuck
Sounds neat.
The 9mm Winchester 147gr. JHP was originally developed for Spec. Ops. supressed use, and called the OSM, Olin Super Match. It works well in carbines and pistols. As powder chemistry and other technology increases, there is overlap upon previous machines.
The M-4 is that CAR I mentioned. I am sure it is quite effective at closer ranges. However, the military is searching for a larger caliber version, since there are credible reports of failure to stop in close quarters and even general use. It doesn't seem to develop the velocity needed to mirror the larger diameter bullet performance of previous military ctgs. I would think that the highly touted "wounding" effect of the .223 loses some of its appeal when the threat is in your face, and there is not the luxury of burdening the enemy with caring for their wounded comrades, and such. A wounded adversary, even mortally wounded, may still shoot back, which means kill you anyway.
The .30 carbine was favored by Phillipine troops because it was more suited to their physical size. I bet they liked the Thompson too.
Isn't the rifling twist different between the CAR and the M-4?
Would be interesting to see the M-16 and similar in 30.06, there's a civ sporter version in .308 but I don't know any stats on it at all.
"Isn't the rifling twist different between the CAR and the M-4?"
Paging Professor Squantos....
"Isn't the rifling twist different between the CAR and the M-4?"
Paging Professor Squantos....
I seem to recall the barrel stamping on my M-16 during my days in uniform saying it had a 1 in 7 rifling twist.
I seem to recall the civilian version saying it had a 1 in 9 twist.
But as I know zip about the M-4 and it's civilian version...
(But, I also seem to recall my memory going flaky on me lately! Woohoo!)
The military bullet weight was increased some time ago, and the twist changed too. This stuff is Squantos' profession, so I expect your solid answer soon.
Don't worry about the memory thing....Muttly has Memory Flakes too...and look how great he turned out anyway!
oops....my flakes did that double post, not me.
LOL!
Yeah, I noticed that there are quite a few on FR that live sleep eat and breathe these stats in their sleep and can discuss the merits of Nosler partition and Hyper-X as easily as most people say 'hello'.
Easier even.
Eaker needs to respond to this, I'm only current on long guns. ;-)
What Uncle Slim said.
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