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To: Rippin
I'm asking you if all those who question evolution are idiots, or frauds or both and so far I guess I have to assume the answer from the evo guys is "yes."

Questioning evolution is fine. Of itself it is not an idiotic or fraudulent activity. Questioning ToE without understanding what it is is idiotic. Questioning ToE with cod-scientific arguments that don't stand up to critical examination (but which are designed to appeal to laymen) is fraudulent. I haven't yet seen an anti-evolution argument that doesn't fall into one of those two camps.

Many creationists who appear to be profoundly ignorant of science and the data come onto these boards and parrot type #2 arguments that they have got from creationist websites and that they plainly don't understand themselves. I don't know whether to characterize that behavior as idiotic, fraudulent, or both.

35 posted on 02/12/2005 10:08:58 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Thatcherite
Many creationists who appear to be profoundly ignorant of science and the data come onto these boards and parrot type #2 arguments that they have got from creationist websites and that they plainly don't understand themselves.

Not just evolution. You can add physics, astronomy, and cosmology as well.

For example here are a few we have had to argue against:

"Wildly elliptical orbits"
"Gravity travels at twice the speed of light"
"The universe just exploded"
"Retrograde motion proved the big bang never happened"
"Stars could not form because gas expands"
"Saturn hovered over the north pole of the Earth"

There are many more. I could fill pages full.

42 posted on 02/12/2005 10:44:07 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Thatcherite

Give that man a cigar. At least you admit it. You can articulate the type of errors you've observed and noted none that haven't fallen into them. You might actually be worth having a discussion with. Plus like your handle.


80 posted on 02/12/2005 5:41:57 PM PST by Rippin
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