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Vanity: The silly way we reward our Generals
Tha San Francisco Chronicle ^ | February 6, 2005

Posted on 02/06/2005 9:00:32 AM PST by ILL

Mattis told about 200 people at the San Diego Convention Center: "Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling."

Do we mean to say they shouldn't use all the goodies they were given in order to kill the enemy? Hell no. They should kill as many of the enemy as possible. A verbal "faux pas" is not something that these generals are schooled at. If they were schooled as politicians they would have given us some sort of a hogwash story how heartbreaking it was to kill an Iraqi unit that set their convoy with road blasts. Sorry, but I just don't buy it. Rush to judgment has traditionally been easy for all of us and moralizing has never won a war. OK, he was a little too open or clumsy but he's not paid to be a speaker, his job was to command a unit in combat. If he's ever judged for anything that should be the scope of our interests. It is unacceptable to train these men to kill and later hold them liable for having killed (who cares if they enjoyed it or not). Such similar stupidities have befallen some other great American generals like William Tecumseh Sherman, George S Patton Jr. and Dwight D. Eisenhower. During their tenure they were severly criticized but after a few decades have elapsed we glorified their exploits. Let's not be that hasty and that hypocritical. We trained these people to do exactly what the General said he was doing, and we equipped them with plenty of toys to accomplish that goal (kill as many of the enemy as possible).

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To: CAluvdubya

I thought of that too and almost added "and then starting on them in our country"


21 posted on 02/06/2005 9:15:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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To: shubi

The military has a fair share of generals unable to function
in a war zone. I would say that finding a man that knows what his mission is refreshes some of us that knew generals
that were overwhelmed with 100% participation in the United Way campaign and not much else..............


22 posted on 02/06/2005 9:15:47 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: iliya Pavlovich PhD
We'd better look at the outcome of the work that our military is trained to do

Our military is trained to kill the enemy. If there are plenty of dead "enemy" on the battlefields of Fallujah, Mosul, etc., then they are doing the job they were trained for. If you want a happy face put on discussions of war, talk to a politician.

If you don't get this, rent "Patton" and watch it several times over. And if you still don't get it, just sit back quietly (= STFU) and enjoy the peace and security your military affords you, despite the low pay and sacrifices they make.

23 posted on 02/06/2005 9:16:15 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: William of Orange
does this pass the smell test?

No, but we all know that.

24 posted on 02/06/2005 9:16:26 AM PST by starfish923
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To: Publius6961

The *counseling* probably amounted to...*don't say that again*...LOL


25 posted on 02/06/2005 9:17:04 AM PST by mystery-ak (Jack's Back)
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To: iliya Pavlovich PhD

Learn how to format troll


26 posted on 02/06/2005 9:17:22 AM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: iliya Pavlovich PhD
Mattis added: "You go into Afghanistan, you've got guys who slapped women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

Semper Fi!
27 posted on 02/06/2005 9:17:29 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: starfish923; All

Are we in agreement that this is a troll?


28 posted on 02/06/2005 9:18:02 AM PST by JCRoberts
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To: iliya Pavlovich PhD

Hell's bells, he's a Marine General! He is trained to kill people. I can't imagine not feeling good about disconnecting some of the dirt bags that are fighting against freedom in Iraq.
I hope a promotion is in his near future.


29 posted on 02/06/2005 9:18:54 AM PST by em2vn
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To: iliya Pavlovich PhD

Mattis shoulda kept his mouth shut. Those who know don't talk, and those who talk don't know firsthand.

Having said that... . It makes Mattis sould like a clerk, not a warrior.


30 posted on 02/06/2005 9:19:21 AM PST by Poincare
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To: JCRoberts

I tend to agree with you. I haven't noticed any replies in defense of this post yet from the "troll".


31 posted on 02/06/2005 9:19:52 AM PST by CAluvdubya (From the RED part of California)
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To: oldironsides
1. The military has a fair share of generals unable to function in a war zone.
2. I would say that finding a man that knows what his mission is refreshes some of us that knew generals that were overwhelmed with 100% participation in the United Way campaign and not much else..............

1. Would that be affirmative action generals and women generals? Hmmm?
2. Yes, it is.
Patton and Puller would be pulling for him.
Pun intended.

32 posted on 02/06/2005 9:20:07 AM PST by starfish923
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To: iliya Pavlovich PhD
I don't see the problem. The guy doesn't play basketball either. Its not like he said, "I enjoy killing fudge packing liberal left democrat goober smooching fagots for fun." He said, "It's fun to shoot some people" which means some people need it.
33 posted on 02/06/2005 9:20:10 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: iliya Pavlovich PhD

DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE!? There are doubters amongst us.


34 posted on 02/06/2005 9:20:41 AM PST by JCRoberts
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To: iliya Pavlovich PhD

The general should just be counseled about what he says when there are microphones and "unfriendlies" around.


35 posted on 02/06/2005 9:20:45 AM PST by .38sw
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To: mystery-ak

mystery-ak wrote:


The *counseling* probably amounted to...*don't say that again*...LOL




No.... "Don't say that where the Press can hear you!"

:-)


36 posted on 02/06/2005 9:22:09 AM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Rudder; iliya Pavlovich PhD

Maybe iliya doesn't have an opinion on what he posted?


37 posted on 02/06/2005 9:22:21 AM PST by .38sw
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To: JCRoberts
Are we in agreement that this is a troll?

"THIS"? To whom or to what are you referring?
There are so many who fall under this category.

38 posted on 02/06/2005 9:22:44 AM PST by starfish923
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To: JCRoberts
Are we in agreement that this is a troll?

How the hell does his post make him a troll? Did you even bother to read what he wrote?

39 posted on 02/06/2005 9:23:11 AM PST by Sandy
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To: JCRoberts

DR. Pavlovich's one and only post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=194599


40 posted on 02/06/2005 9:24:12 AM PST by .38sw
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