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To: normy
As far as destroyed evidence goes, don't forget that the frickin' FRONT DOOR, which many believe would have PROVED that the BAT-FAGS fired the first shots, magically DISAPPEARED, thanks to the FBI/BATF.

Also, don't forget that the BATF had search warrants with manufactured BULLSHIT info on them, which had NOTHING to do with alcohol, tobacco, OR firearms. For instance, there were charges of a meth lab in the basement (so they could justify the otherwise ILLEGAL act of using military help against U.S. citizens in domestic law enforcement), which was never proved.

Don't forget also, that the same tactics used by the Clinton/Reno out-of-control government to MURDER innocent men, women, children, and pet animals at Waco, were also previously tested at Ruby Ridge. They just got more efficient at the propaganda and the killing by the time Waco rolled around. A plywood shack was a "mountain fortress", a modest gun collection (even at Waco, the number of guns, if broken down per person that LIVED there, was less than the average number of guns per Texas gun owner) was a "cache of weapons", a group of Christians who just wanted to be left alone and practice their own way of worship, albeit, strange to many - was a "cult". Just like "kraut" and "zipperhead" were used to dehumanize the enemy during WWII, and "gook" was used in Viet Nam, the SAME things were done in the Clinton/Reno war on the Christian Right. "Cultists" and "white separatists" (like the Branch Davidians, Randy Weaver just wanted to be left alone to live his life the way he saw fit) are easier to justify murdering than "American Citizens".

What happened at Waco, and at Ruby Ridge, came down to arrogant, left-wing, out-of-control, power-mongering government bureaucrats and overly militarized federal law enforcement agencies ABUSING power to push their agenda and justify their existence. They did it through using trumped up charges, propaganda and negative labels, technicalities (especially where the original charges of failing to pay TAXES on otherwise LEGALLY assembled semi-auto firearms at Waco, or the small length of two shotgun barrels Weaver was ENTRAPPED/ENTICED into sawing off for an undercover BAT-FAG informant at Ruby Ridge), brute government force at the end of a barrel (like MAO), making up their own rules of engagement, destroying evidence which would be incriminating to the goverment, manufacturing evidence to support their original claims (funny how everthing was destroyed or charred by the massive fire at Waco, yet they trotted out supposedly fully automatic AK's and other weapons at trial that looked untouched), and by playing games with and essentially ignoring the Posse Comitatus (spelling?)Act which forbids domestic law enforcement from using the military for domestic law enforcement actions (they got around that with the blatantly FALSE charge of a meth lab in the basement of the Brach Davidian building). Military helicopters were used to shoot down into the building, and tank-like armored vehicles were used to pump in a HIGHLY FLAMMABLE mist of gas. Even if they THOUGHT there would be no danger of fire in an all wood structure on a flat plain with winds gusting at high speed, which is hard to believe - then AT LEAST they should have considered the gagging, choking, and potentially DEADLY effects of gassing LITTLE CHILDREN.

And after all this, what happened? The FBI and ATF supervisors who SHOULD have been tried and put to death for abusing their power and murdering innocent American citizens, were promoted, reassigned, or allowed to retire. They even had a FAKE "investigation" into what the FBI did that "may have" caused the death of over EIGHTY people, and of course, were found to have done nothing wrong. What a surprise.

We can only hope that the goverment bastards responsible (INCLUDING Clinton and Reno) do NOT sleep well, and suffer a death AT LEAST as agonizing as the men, women, and children they tortured (sleep deprivation, light deprivation, loud obnoxious music & the death cries of rabbits blared day and night by PSYOPS agents with extremely loud speakers), terrorized (with the initial assault by heavily armored and armed masked Jack-Booted Thugs with fully automatic weapons and flash-bang grenades), gassed, and burned to death. Anyone that doesn't know the TRUE story of Ruby Ridge and Waco, NEEDS to research it from all angles. Don't just see the two propaganda, made-for-TV (actually, made for an unsuspecting, all too trusting public) B-grade movies RUSHED out at the time, or read the lies and distortions in books of FICTION written by people like former Jack-Booted-Thug (interestingly enough, originally coined by a DEMOCRAT from Michigan named Dingall, and NOT by the NRA, as the media widely reported and the first President Bush believed), Chistopher Whitcomb ("Cold Zero").

Do an internet search, and you'll find a number of sites, and also a number of books and documentary videos listed.

Just as we shouldn't forget Pearl Harbor or 9/11, we should NEVER forget Ruby Ridge or Waco... OR... EVER let them happen again.

By the way, do you think there is ANY mention of Ruby Ridge or Waco at Clinton's LIE-brary?

91 posted on 01/22/2005 7:42:40 AM PST by DocH (Release ALL your Navy records AND your private journal Kerry!)
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To: DocH
One of the most disgusting propaganda moves was the made for TV movie (Koresh was played by the guy from Wings sitcom) portraying Koresh as a child molesting pervert.

Now I really don't know what went on there because the gov't covered the whole damn thing up. If Koresh was a child molesting pervert then draw up charges on him for it. It seemed public opinion was on the side of the Davidians so the media started floating the child molester story out.

To be clear, I believe God took Koresh down because he claimed to be Christ, but God used wicked people to do it. Anyone who approves of the tactics used against the Davidians are sick.

Remember also that the Clinton administration payed Randy Weaver, I believe it was 3 million dollars. The FBI actually sniped his wife and baby. It wasn't some crossfire accident and I believe this was an attempt by the Clinton/Reno justice department to crack down hard on what they viewed as right wing crazies (the Davidians were deceived people but I would hardly call the right wing), instead of focusing on the threat that was Muslim terrorists. I would not be surprised to learn Muslim terrorist were involved with Oklahoma City and used McVeigh and Nichols to carry it out. I would not be surprised to find out that Clinton swept it under the rug because it would pose to great a task to confront it seeing as it would involve war with the countries or people who sent them (Saddam? Bin Laden?).

What burns me the most is that the Republicans did nothing to stop this and even seemed to help in the covering up of Waco.I would guess the Republicans would want to "save the country from disgrace" or that would be their reasoning for covering up for Clinton.

104 posted on 01/23/2005 4:21:06 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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