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To: sweetliberty

That one is nice too

But I'll take the one with the lake

that way mike can go out back and fish, instead of following me around the house because he's bored and there's nothing to do on days off

Gosh I can't wait till the weather gets nicer .. *L*


7,243 posted on 03/28/2005 12:28:28 AM PST by Mo1
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http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/ChristianOrigins/PaganChrists.html

By the time of Jesus of Nazareth, as for centuries before, the Mediterranean world roiled with a happy diversity of creeds and rituals. Details varied according to location and culture, but the general outlines of these faiths were astonishingly similar. Roughly speaking the ancients' gods:

1. Were born on or very near our Christmas Day
2. Were born of a Virgin-Mother
3. Were born in a Cave or Underground Chamber.
4. Led a life of toil for Mankind.
5. Were called by the names of Light-bringer, Healer, Mediator, Savior, Deliverer.
6. Were however vanquished by the Powers of Darkness.
7. And descended into Hell or the Underworld.
8. Rose again from the dead, and became the pioneers of mankind to the Heavenly world.
9. Founded Communions of Saints, and Churches into which disciples were received by Baptism. :
10. Were commemorated by Eucharistic meals…

…Attis predated Christ. Before and during the years the Christian Gospels were written (from the reign of Claudius, AD 41 - 54) the Festival of Joy, celebrated Attis' death and rebirth was celebrated yearly in Rome.

A Christian writer of the fourth century AD, recounted ongoing disputes between Pagans and Christians over the remarkable similarities of the death and resurrection of their two gods. The Pagans argued that their God was older and therefore original. The Christians admitted Christ came later, but claimed Attis was a work of the devil whose similarity to Christ, and the fact he predated Christ, were intended to confuse and mislead men. This was apparently the stock answer -- the Christian apologist Tertullian makes the same argument.

Frazer's classic Adonis, Attis and Osiris is a good place to go for details. See the Books page.

Attis was born of the Virgin Nana on December 25th. He was both the Father and the Divine Son.

The Festival of Joy -- the celebration of Attis' death and rebirth On March 22 a pine tree was brought to the sanctuary of Cybele, on it hung the effigy of Attis. The God was dead. Two days of mourning followed, but when night fell on the eve of the third day, the worshippers turned to joy. "For suddenly a light shone in the darkness; the tomb was opened; the God had risen from the dead...[and the priest] softly whispered in their ears the glad tidings of salvation. The resurrection of the God was hailed by his disciples as a promise that they too would issue triumphant from the corruption of the grave." [for more see Frazer, Attis, chapter 1]

Attis' worshipers at a sacramental meal of bread and wine. The wine represented the God's blood; the bread became the body of the savoir.

They were baptized in this way: a bull was placed over a grating, the devotee stood under the grating. The bull was stabbed with a consecrated spear. "It's hot reeking blood poured in torrents through the apertures and was received with devout eagerness by the worshiper...who had been born again to eternal life and had washed away his sins in the blood of the bull." [for more see Frazer, Attis, chapter 1]

Called "the Good Sheppard," the "Most High God," the "Only Begotten Son" and "Savior."

[In Rome the new birth and the remission of sins by shedding of bull's blood took place on what is now Vatican Hill, in our days the site of the great basilica of St. Peter's]

You can read much more Here
7,244 posted on 03/28/2005 2:29:28 AM PST by Woliff
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To: Mo1
"that way mike can go out back and fish, instead of following me around the house because he's bored and there's nothing to do on days off"

LOL! Well, there are a lot of them on "the lake" or river. We have several big lakes and rivers.

7,245 posted on 03/28/2005 4:36:40 AM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: Mo1; Conservababe; grannie9; null and void; .38sw; Canadian Outrage; nicmarlo; Borax Queen; ...

Mornin' y'all. The sun is actually shining today! Yippieeee! It's supposed to get in the 70's today through Wednesday. 'Bout time. I've been freezing my butt off, and all this rain isn't conducive to getting some of my work done. Picture trapsing through 6" of mud and a half a dozen large, wet dogs to get to a house. Yuck! Maybe I can catch up my visits this week. I think the kids are out on spring break here, too, so I won't have to wait till after school. Of course, some of them may be gone somewhere.


7,247 posted on 03/28/2005 5:21:10 AM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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