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To: ET(end tyranny)
Virtually all BUT the KJV (including, I believe the NKJV) come from a different family of manuscripts.

But you aren't going to differentiate by whether or not "pierced" is used for that verse. That goes back well before the split between denominations - certainly well before the KJV messed some things up. But it's a false argument. Some would like to pretend that "pierced" is incorrectly used here. They're simply wrong. The Septuagint translates it as "pierced" long before there WERE any Christians to get it wrong. The Greek is not really in question.

It's equally likely that the Jews changed it ex-post-factop to avoid the Messianic implications. Especially since the supposedly "correct" Hebrew makes no sense.

You might check 5/6HEvPs (one of the DSS).

650 posted on 01/17/2005 5:40:35 PM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: IMRight
Why was the same word correctly translated a couple of verses later? Why didn't they put PIERCED in that verse as well?

Probably because it wouldn't read well! LOL

21 Save me from the lion's pierced mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

652 posted on 01/17/2005 5:50:57 PM PST by ET(end tyranny) (Isa:59:20-And a redeemer will come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob....)
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To: IMRight
Some would like to pretend that "pierced" is incorrectly used here. They're simply wrong.

Nope. Nice try, though. The context clearly indicates that "lion" is the proper translation.

656 posted on 01/17/2005 6:29:09 PM PST by malakhi
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To: IMRight
What? I never said yall were entirely wrong and with some modifications...:') I was doing an Advent (kind of) before I even knew I was. I never count Sundays but I start preparing for Christmas the day after Thanksgiving. It's not a solemn time , but a time for rejoicing and celebration for me.

I was looking at Lent. Starts 40 days before Easter. Fasts varied from 3-7 weeks. Originally rigorous and only 1 meal a day permitted, without white meat,eggs, milk products and all type of flesh. It was gradually relaxed to only Good Friday and Ash Wed and the rest a time of penance and devotion. Tsk! Tsk!:')

Then a lot about Catholic ritualsp and service restictions. That about it?

I wouldn't have a problem with 40 days of "in the spirit" but I would have to back out of the organized fasting. I believe no one should know you are fasting and it may be something you feel led to do at anytime during the year. An interesing concept though and something to think about.

670 posted on 01/17/2005 7:13:44 PM PST by CindyDawg
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