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Posted on 12/30/2004 7:01:16 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
Free Republic has a lot of horse people that have found each other on other threads…. And since we all like to talk horses, how about a thread where it is not off-topic, but is THE topic?
This is a horse chat thread where we share ideas, ask for input from other horsemen, and talk about our riding and horse-keeping. We have a lot of different kinds of riders and horses, and a lot to share. In the previous threads we have had a great time talking through lessons, training, horse lamenesses, illnesses and pregnancies... and always sharing pictures and stories.
I always have a link to this thread on my profile page, so if you have something to say and can't find the thread in latest posts… look for it there and wake the thread up!
I also have a ping list for horse threads that are of interest, and Becky pings everyone most mornings. Let Becky (Paynoattentionmanbehindthecurtain) and/or me know if you would like to be on the ping list. As FreeRepublic is a political site, our politics and other issues will probably blend in…. There are many issues for horsemen that touch politics… land use, animal rights/abuse cases that make the news…. Legislation that might affect horse owners.
So... like the previous threads, this is intended as fun place to come and share stories, pictures, questions and chit-chat, unguided and unmoderated and that we come together here as friends. There are lots of ways of doing things and we all have our quirks, tricks and specialties that are neat to learn about.
You are correct, ma'am. And the professional breeders don't want to get the crosses, ie tovero, sabero, tovino (tovino being a combination of all 3, sabino, tobiano and overo).
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This an interesting horse color site. It doesn't get real involved in the genetics of breeding to get each color but it sure has some pretty pictures. The "splashed white" paints are really unusual. The horses look like they've been dipped in paint.
Very interesting.
When I started hearing about the tovero, I thought "enough, already":) Becky
I wonder if the same holds true with like the palamiono's. Carmello, creamello, etc.?
Becky
I didn't answer your question very well, you are correct in that all these different patterns are just being recognized because of all the cross breeding of the colors. The lethal white syndrome is just because overos carry a gene that causes lethal white, if you breed two carriers together you can get a lethal white.
My genetics book says that crossing the different patterns destroys the integrity of each marking, that's why professional breeders don't do it.
I can answer that! I can answer that! Palomino, cremello, buckskin and dun are all "dilute" colors. They are all modifications of bay, chestnut, black or brown.
Makes me feel bad having just a 'gray'.
Your post was fine, you answered what I was asking:)
So professional breeders, would they usually bred a toby to a an overo, or do they breed to toby's and hope for an overo?
Becky
What about me with bay's:), They're not even considered a "colored" horse, and I don't think there is anything prettier, then blood red with black points. You can sure get a shine in the summer from them, that you can't on a white horse. IMO:)
And it's so much EASIER to keep that shine then on a white:)
Becky
Get this, they breed a homozygous stallion, (meaning he always throws his color, being overo or tobiano) to a SOLID Quarter Horse mare (or solid paint mare that they test for the overo gene to make sure she doesn't have it, if the stud is overo). A paint horse is just a colored Quarter Horse.
The breeder down the road from me, he has a couple hundred mares he breeds and they are nearly all solid. His babies are gorgeous colored paints. This man's got it going on.
wow those are big pictures !!! I'll get this posting pictures sooner or later
Ya'll are going to be sorry you brought up horse colors by the time I get through with them.
Bay is a black horse that has been genetically altered to have a lighter, mostly red body color and head, leaving black in the legs, mane and tail.
I, too, think that a blood red bay is one of the most beautiful colors.
I think the paint horse started out as a different registry and the AQHA appended it's rules to allow paints, but I'm not absolutely sure and I've forgot my PIN and can't access the AQHA web site.
My old stud is registered with Paint Horse Association. He's a red roan.
Actually, years ago, people bred for Quarter Horses and every now and then, they would get what we now refer to as Paints. They hated it and usually killed the foal. Only fairly recently have people decided that paints are a good thing.
I don't know about the AQHA accepting paints. I'm a member of both APHA and AQHA so I can look that up. The paint horse association is sort of a spin-off of the Quarter Horse Association so I really can't imagine that the Quarter Horse association is accepting paints. Maybe they have loosened the rules a little to allow solid paints with paint horse registry so they can be a member of both associations.
I'll have to look that up later, I gotta get my brood ready for school.
So any nasty alleles that are linked to the particular trait you're breeding for will also be concentrated. If the trait you're breeding for doesn't have any nasties directly linked, you're home free. If they are NOT linked but just happened to be in the gene pool, they will gradually breed out.
An example would be the Siamese color, which is a recessive but isn't directly linked to any nasties. On the other hand, the crossed eyes in Siamese ARE linked to a visual defect, which is one reason the breeders have been doing their best to eliminate crossed eyes. They've done a pretty good job, you don't see anywhere near as many cross-eyed Siamese as you used to. But of course they still have blue eyes and the coat pattern. Same thing goes for the kinked tails, but as far as I know the kink (unlike the taillessness in Manx) wasn't linked to anything, the judges just didn't like it.
The problem arises when something like the lethal white or Manx tail is in the very same genetic information that produces the desired trait. In the old days, you had to figure out by trial and error which horses (or cats) were carriers and tended to throw the lethal. Now the DNA typing takes care of all that.
Now when I go to Bradshaw's sale, I will know what you look like, and can say "Hey"! :)
The APHA was started, to register those foals that had a little bit too much white on them. The AQHA had rules on how high stockings could be, bald faces, spots etc. The foals that had too much white,and were purebred QH's were called "crop outs".
Yes, that is a photo of the filly, bought at auction last fall. Thanks, we like her. :)
Morning all!
Need coffee!
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