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Posted on 12/30/2004 7:01:16 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
My vet calls himself a sports medicine vet to avoid taking on foaling ;~D He must be doing well enough, to be that picky.
I saw that. Good to know. I know lot of people who bred paints. I'm wondering if they know about this.
Personally, I like the solid colored horses best. Altho, I think alot of overos are really flashy. Like the idiot I had:)
Becky
Exactly right, they can't poop and die soon after born.
It's a gene that overos carry and when 2 overos with the lethal white gene are bred, you have a very good chance of getting a lethal white foal. You can test for the gene, luckily.
I don't mean to be a smarty pants on this subject, it's just that paint horses are my "thing". I adore them and read everything I can get my hands on about them.
I was gone all day yesterday and didn't get to read the posts. I hate it when I miss something!
This is really interesting given the amount of paint breeders I know, and I've never heard it talked about.
Becky
If they are professional paint horse breeders, not just backyard breeders, then they know about it. It doesn't usually come up with the professional guys because they aren't dumb enough to cause it. It's not even a consideration for those guys. Check this place out, it's about 3 farms up from me. All paints! www.fossilgatefarms.com
Just curious. Are overos harder to get, rarer then tobiano's? Seems to me I see more tobys then overo's. But that may just be me. It may also be I'm messing up on catogorizing them too:)
Becky
I'd have to think they know about it, it's discussed in all paint circles I've been in, and was the reason the Tovero mare I was riding was bred to a Tobiano. I don't think the 'test' was available then. You didn't see the Lethal White negative advertisements on stallions that you see now. It was all much more mysterious.
Well, the ones I am speaking of are just "backyard" breeders. They breed anything they can:), trying for a colored horse.
Becky
Lordy! I'm dealing with a bunch of amateurs here! :)
There are actually three distinct color patterns which are being lumped together under the overo name. These three patternsare frame overos, sabiano overos and splashed white overos. Each of these patters is genetically different and distinct from one another. Each of these three different overo patterns consistently place and characterize the white. Each of these three different overo patterns is dominent. In the past these were throught to have been recessive and there was some confusion mainly because all three of these patterns were lumped under the same name "overo" when in fact each is a distinct color pattern.
Since the topic of discussion was on frame overo, I'll limit the rest of my comments to that pattern. The frame overo pattern is a dominent allele. In some instances, the frame overo allele may appear to be passed as a recessive allele, but usually due to a minimally marked animal non having any body spots. Cropout horses may imply that there is more than one allele involved, and it may be more complex. These cropout horses do reproduce this frame overo pattern as though the gene were dominant. This suggests that cropout horses may be due to new mutations of this allele.
The frame overo horse may have minimal white to extensive white markings. Horses which have been classified as solid breeding stock horses may be a minimal white frame overo without any body spots, dark legs and extensive white markings on their face, such as a bald face. These horses are expressing the minimum of the frame overo color pattern. The tip-off is usually the combination of abundant facial white with minimal leg white. These horses do not have any body spots, but do produce foals with spots.
The frame overo allele can be responsible for the production of lethal white foals, which die within 48 hours of birth, usually. It has been thought that the lethal white foals are homozygous and have recieved a frame overo from each parent. This may be more complicated because solid horses (by a frame overo parent) crossed with a frame overo have produced lethal white foals.
Hopes this helps!
You're exactly right, overo's are rarer than tobianos but I'm not real sure why.
Oh my. They may not know, then.
Well, I should clarify. I'm being very charitable calling the people I'm thinking of "breeders". They're mostly just wannabees.
But even so, something like this, I'd have thought I'd have heard about it. Maybe I have and just didn't pay attention because I'm not that fond of paints, or maybe I thought they were just speaking about albino's.
Probably just me.
Becky
You dork, you got that off the paint horse website and quoted it almost word for word.
LOL...now tuffy, did you not read the article that said this week is no name calling week:)
Becky
It's not you. You'd be amazed at what the backyard paint horse breeders don't know. They don't do their homework like they should.
He doesn't mind, he has a good sense of humor. I can't wait to see what I get back.
Isn't he gorgeous? The horse of course :)
It's ok Becky. I've been called worse. I'm not offended by the name, just his questioning of my expertise on the matter. Oh well, you try to help out....
No - POA's are generally appaloosa coloring and probably appaloosa breeding but horses have to be 14 hands to be registered appaloosa.
Oh boy, what is this lady going to do with all of these?
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