your post #108 pretty much sums it up for me... what total crap it is that passes for good music these days! damn!
"Good" is a relative term. Certainly they are better than Marilyn Manson, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Blink 182, Sum 41, 311, crap crap crap.
Note how Jim Thirwell (aka Foetus) gets completely overlooked by the young kids. There would be no industrial rock if not for "Clint Ruin" (another of his aliases). And for rap/metal hybrid, why don't they just pull out Suicidal Tendencies' second album?
So bored with kids trying to impress me with how tough they are. They're like the Baby Boomers who honestly believed that they "invented" Sex.