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Hey, Idol: Quit bullying kids (Clay Aiken)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 12/9/2004 | Monica Yant Kinney

Posted on 12/09/2004 7:28:16 AM PST by wjersey

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To: Beckwith

This is in CHAT, not news. Lighten up.

It certainly shows what "journalism" standards are these days.


41 posted on 12/09/2004 11:29:22 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: wjersey

Anti-Aiken post gets teacher suspended
Saturday, December 11, 2004
By Shawn G. Menzies
smenzies@sjnewsco.com
HARRISON TWP. -- A teacher who lashed out on the Internet about how "American Idol" runner-up Clay Aiken treated members of her high school's vocal group has been suspended by the Clearview Regional School District, the Times has learned.

Sue Barry is serving a six-day suspension with pay, according to students, after district officials were informed of a post she made on the Web site www.gawker.com, where she used vulgar language and went on a diatribe against Clay Aiken and the hard time he and his crew allegedly gave to some of the 20 performers of the Clearview Regional Vocale Ensemble.


The ensemble was asked by Aiken's people to sing along with the "American Idol" talent search runner-up star at his Dec. 2 holiday show at the Commerce Centre for the Performing Arts in Washington Township.

"I cannot comment too much other than to say that in my opinion the e-mail posted was inappropriate," Superintendent Michael Toscano would only say Friday.

One student said he and other students are not happy about the suspension of their teacher and they want her back now.

"I feel the suspension is overly harsh," said Mik Matusek, 16. "If they wanted to send a message then suspend her for one or two days. We are the ones suffering. She is a talented teacher. And when she gets back, it will take a few days to get settled and then we go on break, so we won't have our teacher for two weeks. I just feel it is overly harsh for a small infraction. She is a very good teacher. What she did was unprofessional, but her motives are justified. She was sticking up for students and had a right to be outraged."

The teacher named state Teacher of the Year is English teacher Diane Cummins. Cummins would not offer comment on the matter and directed all questions to Clearview administration officials.

Roger Widynowski, spokesman for RCA Records who handles publicity for Clay Aiken, did not respond to e-mail and telephone requests for comment over the past two days.

Jack Hill, director of the Clearview Regional Vocale Ensemble, also did not return telephone calls for comment Thursday and Friday.

Steve Walmer of the New Jersey Education Association, which is the bargaining union for teachers in the state, said the organization is aware of the suspension and will represent her at board meetings if there are any further proceedings.



© 2004 Gloucester County Times.


42 posted on 12/11/2004 5:56:59 PM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: susiek
I got this from one of the Clay's chat room. It's not written by me. Quote: ------------------------------------------------------------ Here's what I've heard second hand, mostly from people that live in that area and one that was actually AT the theater (3rd hand) that day. I grew up in NJ, and went to college a stones throw away from where all this happened.

[1) The teacher was being a snob and expecting to be treated in a specific way. When one of the children stepped "out of line" and did something that they had been spefically told they were NOT permitted to do the teacher then "had words" with one of the security people "defending" this child and his/her inappropriate actions. Because of this SECURITY then made the decision, w/o consulting Clay, that no pictures would be permitted... period.

2) This teacher complained that the crew was "playing music too loud and interfered with their rehearsal." She never asked them to stop, she just whined about it. She blamed all of this on CLAY when Clay was not even in the building at the time.

3) Later, when Clay came into the theater on his own to check how things were going out this teacher walked up to him, never having seen or met him before, and started a SCREAMING match with him - that began with her chewing him out - LOUDLY. Yes, Clay yelled back at her and they had an angry exchange of words. At that point Jerome stepped in and had her escorted from the building - after which security barred her from the theater.

43 posted on 12/12/2004 5:28:37 AM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: Phantom Lord

44 posted on 12/12/2004 5:39:46 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: Beckwith
I don't see anything wrong posting Clay Aiken thread in FR, as long as it's in culture/society group. Have you ever heard him sing and read his story of life? He's a Christian kid who's never been ashamed of his faith, and he often got ridiculed because of it. His Christmas CD, for instance, is 'conservative', in a sense, he doesn't want to sing 'Silent Night' in a way that it lost the meaning of the song.

As a result, he got a zillion of fans, and they're not the teenie boppers only, but varies from very old to very young. The variety of his fans can be seen from the ratings of his Christmas Special on NBC last Wednesday. IIRC, in the 'young' demographic (15-59), it was #4 that night. But, overall, it's #2.

In many Clay chat rooms, the talks are more like FR: trying to provide a 'counter' against the mainstream music out there, which many perceived as trash... Many chatters are Christian parents who want to have a good role model for their kids...

That's because his demeanor, his faith, and his interests. Clay was about to become a special education teacher before he entered the singing contest American Idol on Fox-TV. Even now, his concern on disable kids are still there... He established the Buble-Aiken foundation to help those children...

Don't get me wrong. I'm not idolizing Clay. He's still a human. However, i don't see anything wrong supporting somebody who may bring change to current mainstream music with trashy lyrics...

Oh, and he sings well too...

45 posted on 12/12/2004 5:55:28 AM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: susiek

"Those in the know"? Sounds like a Jayson Blair source.

If the rehearsal was a full-dress with stage lighting and a darkened auditorium, the student snapping the flash picture would have been removed, just like during the actual performance. The flash pictures have been a big problem in the early part of the tour - it's *extremely* difficult to perform with those flashes in a dark room.

As for the rest of it ... I dunno. This sounds like a big load of sour grapes or something else.


46 posted on 12/16/2004 7:40:32 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Howlin

Howlin? Any NC insight here? I don't buy it. Maybe the writer is stringing for the NY Times.


47 posted on 12/16/2004 7:41:44 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: BluSky

I'm guessing the envelope was empty because the actual check was given to whoever's responsible for the finances. Very poor job of journalism.

"F-. Try again. You can do better work."


48 posted on 12/16/2004 7:44:19 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Clay Aiken is a personal friend of my family; this is utter BS.


49 posted on 12/16/2004 7:45:13 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: Phantom Lord

You may hate him, but you have to admit this is completley out of character.


50 posted on 12/16/2004 7:47:09 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: valuesvaluesvalues

I'd tend to agree with you. I brought my son to his Christmas concert in San JOse a few weeks ago, and we sat next to the parents of two girls in the choir. They were awfully nice, and they had nothing but good things to say how the girls and the rest of the kids (including some elementary school kids) were treated in a very short rehearsal time.

This story goes clank for me.


51 posted on 12/16/2004 7:48:23 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: RMDupree

I'm with you.


52 posted on 12/16/2004 7:48:48 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: paudio

Well, even though that account is from a chat group, it sounds a lot more realistic than this Gawker tabloid entry. I just looked at the gawker site, and it looks like a left-leaning site. Clay Aiken is an unabashed Christian, and probably on the conservative side as well. I'll bet the teacher had a chip on her shoulder from the get-go.


53 posted on 12/16/2004 7:57:09 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: paudio
However, i don't see anything wrong supporting somebody who may bring change to current mainstream music with trashy lyrics...

I agree - and he is a good example for our young men and boys. Waiting until he's married? A good thing. Refusing to put trashy lyrics in? A good thing. And his CD sales didn't suffer a bit. There are lots and lots of us out there who are sick of the post-Clinton Yuck Factor. I say, good for him!

54 posted on 12/16/2004 7:59:29 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: wjersey; Howlin
Dis Clay and live to regret

By G.D. GEARINO, Staff Writer

A high school teacher in New Jersey has learned that you don't talk trash about Clay Aiken. The teacher was suspended for six days for posting an unfavorable report on Aiken's visit to suburban Philadelphia for a concert two weeks ago. The report (which can be found on the R-rated Web site gawker.com) described how a vocal group from Clearview Regional High School, recruited to appear onstage with Aiken, was allegedly mistreated during rehearsals. (Quick excerpt: "Aiken was extremely terse with the students, at times berating them. ...")

Michael Toscano, Clearview school superintendent, wouldn't give details about the teacher's suspension, saying only that her report was "inappropriate." But he noted that the vocal group is accustomed to frequent rehearsals spread out over many weeks, and wasn't prepared for the hurried -- and sometimes tense -- rehearsal that precedes a commercial performance by just a few hours.

A spokesman for Aiken -- or as gawker.com now calls him, the "big fat meanie" -- didn't return messages.

55 posted on 12/16/2004 8:00:04 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Howlin

Hey Howlin, glad you're here. I don't buy it either.

As far as the students being upset about the teacher being suspended, and that they'll have to "start all over again"? Well, boo-frickin'-hoo. The teacher should have thought about them before she started yelling and posting inappropriate material.


56 posted on 12/16/2004 8:01:09 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Fatalis

Ping!


57 posted on 12/16/2004 8:02:33 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Howlin

Has anyone in your family talked to him and has he denied these allegations?


58 posted on 12/17/2004 4:45:56 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Howlin
I don't know if its out of character. I don't know him and have had no experience with him.

Maybe he's like the guy with 10 bodies found in the basement. All the neighbors say he was the nicest guy.

59 posted on 12/17/2004 6:27:16 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Bikers4Bush

Not today; but I'll find out next week; this would be completely out of character for somebody we have known for over ten years and who has been the counselor for my cousin's kids for that long at the Y.


60 posted on 12/17/2004 8:02:57 AM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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