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1 posted on 12/06/2004 11:15:57 AM PST by ambrose
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Well, that does explain the Venus de Milo.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 11:18:16 AM PST by Billthedrill
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It's sad to say but some people will never watch letterbox editions because either they think they are getting cheated by having black bars on the tops and bottoms of their screens or they are distracted by them. How you can be distracted by black empty voids is beyond me?


3 posted on 12/06/2004 11:19:21 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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Amen! The time and money that studios expend to create butchered full screen versions of films could be spent on something that's of actual value. No one would want a novel with a bunch of sentences cut out or a painting with the sides chopped off. Pan and Scan editions of movies are lowest common denominator pandering.


4 posted on 12/06/2004 11:20:35 AM PST by Borges
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5 posted on 12/06/2004 11:20:45 AM PST by Always Right
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What the writer doesn't realize is that the Mona Lisa is cropped. Many art historians believe that we should see two pillars, part of the loggia (sp?) in which she's sitting, on her right and left.
7 posted on 12/06/2004 11:21:42 AM PST by Caesar Soze
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Pan and scan is unwatchable.

Never try watching a Stanley Kubrick or David Lean film in pan and scan, an aneurysm can result.


8 posted on 12/06/2004 11:21:43 AM PST by Petronski (WARNING: Persons denying the existence of Robots may be Robots themselves.)
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I call it 'fool-screen'. Cause it's such a crappy thing.


10 posted on 12/06/2004 11:23:21 AM PST by G32
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This is an old, old argument...

The consensus, reached about 1982, is that since not everybody has a big, expensive widescreen TV, different versions should be made available to film-buyers/renters


17 posted on 12/06/2004 11:25:30 AM PST by mmartins
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I used to have two laserdisc versions of the sound of music. One was letterboxed and one wasn't. I would show people the artistic differences between the two by comparing one scene in the movie, and the case was made:

When she is singing the title song, there is a point where she runs through a stand of Aspens spanning the screen from left to right, with a brook running through the grass below. With letterbox, the aspens dominate the screen from one side to the other as she runs from one side to the other, and then back again, zig-zagging and frolicking through the aspens.

In "panned and scanned" full screen, the camera follows her through the aspens. It is all about keeping her center frame and the aspens - and their visual impact - are greatly diminished.

We don't have tv - we only buy and rent movies. After Chrismas we will be getting a small projection tv with hdtv capability and component inputs, and roll down screen. It is literally BETTER than the theater. That will eliminate the one problem with letterboxing - small size on a normal tv.


19 posted on 12/06/2004 11:26:23 AM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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I take greater offense at the "FBI WARNING", at the beginning of each VT/DVD, than I do about the formatting.

Had the FBI been on the lookout for those who wanted to "pirate" jet planes to destroy buildings and lives, than in protecting the profits of the already well-connected and well-to-do, then full screen or wide screen would truly be important.

32 posted on 12/06/2004 11:32:00 AM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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That is good to know. Thanks for post.


37 posted on 12/06/2004 11:36:28 AM PST by Peace Is Coming
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I saw something yesterday that ought to please this author. While standing in the checkout line at the supermarket, a flat-panel monitor was spewing ads at the customers. (Their latest electronic irritant, but I digress.) One of the graphics that separated two ads was about DVD sales. The top selling DVD last week was Shrek II. The interesting thing was that the entry was split in two. Shrek II in widescreen was outselling Shrek II in full screen.
38 posted on 12/06/2004 11:36:43 AM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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What about Dr. Strangelove? Stanley Kubrick did not like letterboxing, approved of a mixed aspect ratio transfer in later years, and used copious amounts of "full screen" stock footage in his film.


54 posted on 12/06/2004 11:47:29 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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Benny Hill had a funny skit were they used pan and scan.


64 posted on 12/06/2004 11:52:26 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Dan Rather called Saddam "Mister President and President Bush "bush")
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Lady & The Tramp was actually animated in Full Screen and Widescreen versions.

Why is it that television commercials and music videos have been broadcast "widescreen" for over a decade yet no network is still willing to show films this way?

I know with the new "digital" broadcast some are, but that opens a whole 'nother can of worms as the NBC logo in the corner of the screen is cropped in half on my traditional tv set.

How do the previous 50+ years of television look on those new "widescreen" tvs? Black stripes up the sides of the picture? Zoom cropped to cut off foreheads and chins?

The "solution" is to use a video projector and thus "every screen" is the right size (and original aspect ratio can be maintained).

More often than not these days, "full screen" will give you more image at times (open matte) and less image at other times (special effects closeups, and some information that falls out of the "television safe" middle of the screen). Few people in Hollywood don't consider television broadcast in the lifespan of their films.


65 posted on 12/06/2004 11:54:19 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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If paintings were presented in full screen, a Mona Lisa close-up would lack ears. Or she would appear with only half a smile.

When art theives cut a painting (on canvas) out of a frame from the front, they DO engage in such editorial decisions.

79 posted on 12/06/2004 12:10:12 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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One more reason to consider "full screen" vs. widescreen. Travel. When you are looking at a handheld DVD player or even one in the backseat of a car (or airplane headrest), it gives the "maximum" size image.

There is no widescreen standard. That 16x9 ratio will still result in black stripes on the top/bottom or left/right side of the screen at times. Some will have their aspect ratios "fudged" to appear to not need letterboxing.


81 posted on 12/06/2004 12:13:00 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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This is pet peeve of mine - a MAJOR pet peeve. It drives me absolutely nuts that there are people out there who insist on purchasing only 1/2 to 2/3rds of a movie. In the days of VHS it was virtually impossible to find a wide screen movie - all they had was chopped screen crap. DVD came about and nearly every movie was wide screen. Now, over the last year or so, chopped screen (called "full screen" by idiots) movies have proliferated. And, now, many times the chopped screen idiot versions are the only ones available for rental or purchase because the wide screen ones get bought out first. Too many times I've been given a gift of a DVD by someone and they didn't know the difference and got me the chopped screen version. Sometimes you really have to search the box or the disk itself to see whether it is wide screen or chopped screen.

And there there are the people who just don't understand the difference. "I hate the black bars - why do they put them there?" Grrrrrr.... You'd think now that widescreen TVs and computer monitors are popping up all over the chopped screen crap would actually be disappearing not proliferating.

99 posted on 12/06/2004 12:28:56 PM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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After a few minutes my eyes block out the black band atop and below the movie, but my TV screen isn't huge and it's not like one is sitting in the theater. I like the movies that have both options.


106 posted on 12/06/2004 12:34:18 PM PST by GretchenM (Because the wicked never stop, the righteous must work even harder.)
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On standard TVs, compressed widescreen, aka letterbox, versions play across the middle of the screen. Horizontal black bands appear above and below the picture.

Or you could do like my best friend (a FReeper who will remain unnamed) . . . enlarge the picture to fill the screen, so everyone's stretched one way or another.
136 posted on 12/06/2004 1:24:29 PM PST by Xenalyte (Homercles cares not for beans!)
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