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To: jennyp
"But their goal is to prevent the students from doubting God's existence. So they came up with this euphemism - "intelligent designer" - while trying to slip in their real position - supernaturalism - under the radar.

Well jennyp, you're on dangerous ground when you start attributing motive aren't you?
Before I respond, let me see if I can repeat your statement in a way that you'd agree with.
You think ignorant believers are sneaking their God into your universe, falsely bolstering their faith by attributing to their God the evidence of design we all find in nature?

98 posted on 12/03/2004 4:39:07 PM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: ThirstyMan
Well jennyp, you're on dangerous ground when you start attributing motive aren't you?
Not in this case. The IDers themselves state it quite clearly in their famous Wedge Document, and they used to say it right upfront on their website. Phillip Johnson has written & spoken about their agenda. Jonathan Wells (Icons of Evolution) has written openly in Moonie circles about why he decided to study evolution in the first place: He was inspired by the Reverend Moon to "devote [his] life to destroying Darwinism."

Before I respond, let me see if I can repeat your statement in a way that you'd agree with.

You think ignorant believers are sneaking their God into your universe, falsely bolstering their faith by attributing to their God the evidence of design we all find in nature?

I don't think the leaders of the creationist movement are ignorant. They know exactly what they are doing. They are knowing postmodernists: They deny the reality of objective truth. But unlike other postmodernists, the moral chaos that inevitably flows from such moral subjectivism horrifies them. (As well it should, if it were true!) So their solution is to try to keep everybody believing in religious dogma, so that we'll all be following the same moral code, just as if there really was such a thing as a "best" morality.

I don't know why these creationists have such a crisis of confidence in the objective nature of the real world, but they do. And their misplaced fear for society's future leads them to make whatever bad arguments they have to to convince people that ID is intellectually respectable.

101 posted on 12/03/2004 5:46:13 PM PST by jennyp (Latest creation/evolution news: http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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