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Introduction to "Creationism's Trojan Horse"
Butterflies and Wheels ^ | December 1, 2004 | Barbara Forrest and Paul R. Gross

Posted on 12/03/2004 3:48:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

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To: Dimensio

Give it some more thought. If you can't figure it out I'll help you.


161 posted on 12/06/2004 7:12:15 PM PST by FederalistVet
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To: narby
God's existence is said to be self-evident in itself even though it is not self-evident to all. It is the defect in human reason that makes it not self-evident to some people.
There are two kinds of theology. Natural Theology which tends to be an area of Philosophy and Supernatural Theology, or revelation. God is known thru faith and reason.
Non-Christian Philosophers have come to the knowledge that an unmoved mover exists and that only one God can exist. In "Metaphysics" Aristotle came to that conclusion.
The Natural Sciences are lower sciences and the Philosopher is the judge of the claims of the lower sciences. It is the Philosopher's role to continuously analyze the lower sciences to keep them from misleading society. While the lower sciences tend to limit themselves to the empirical evidence available to them, the Philosophical science is not limited to empirical evidence.
Philosophers do use the available empirical evidence, but transcend the empirical evidence.
Evolution is a religious belief that has been imposed upon our society and professors are often afraid to oppose it out of fear of the abuse they see others endure for rejecting it. Evolution is a religious dogma; nothing more nothing less. All the evidence; historical, political, theological, and scientific; shows it is a religious dogma.
While they were whittling away at the rights of Catholics, the bigots were forcing their new dogma, evolution, down our throats, too.
162 posted on 12/06/2004 7:36:23 PM PST by FederalistVet
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To: FederalistVet
Evolution is a religious belief that has been imposed upon our society and professors are often afraid to oppose it out of fear of the abuse they see others endure for rejecting it. Evolution is a religious dogma; nothing more nothing less. All the evidence; historical, political, theological, and scientific; shows it is a religious dogma. While they were whittling away at the rights of Catholics, the bigots were forcing their new dogma, evolution, down our throats, too.

Environmentalisim is a religion. It worships the Godess "Gaea". It has the "holy" day of Earth Day. It has been embraced by government that has created a Federal department for it, the EPA. Most governments embrace some form of religion, be it the religion of Communisim or Islamic religions, Maoism etc. One kind of faith or another always makes it easy to govern.

But Evolution is not a religion. It is the best explanation for the evidence we can hold in our hands. It does not contradict a Christian God or the Bible in any way except in the way that some people, wrongly I believe, interpret a couple of chapters in Genesis.

Creationism and ID are recent issues. Those names were unheard of when I grew up in the Southern Baptist Church. The Monkey Trial was over 30 years before, and I was taught, in a church retreat, that there is no contradiction between Genesis and Science. I am still convinced of that.

The beliefs of many Christians I think are being manipulated by some very sketchy people who have an agenda that I cannot fathom. Perhaps it is money, or prestiege, or just power, I don't know. And then there are the masses, who buy into these "Creationist" messages, even though it risks forcing young people in government schools to make decisions about whether God exists. In a place outside of their home or church.

Creationism tarnishes conservatives with the "dumb hick" label, which in this case isn't entirely unjustified. And this in a day when we will soon be arguing about who sits on the Surpreme Court, that could decide the fate of issues like Roe V. Wade. We will very soon need all the political clout we can muster for important things, and instead we are wasting it on this silly issue.

If you can't see this, well, I'm sorry I was less pursuasive than they have been. They are the profesionals, I am not.

I honestly believe you are wrong.

163 posted on 12/06/2004 8:54:15 PM PST by narby
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To: FederalistVet
If you can't figure it out I'll help you.

You might as well explain it now. I've been told before that "intelligent design" is "obvious", but I've never been able to grasp what passes as "logic" when they try to explain it. Perhaps you will put it in more rational terms.
164 posted on 12/07/2004 1:33:56 PM PST by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: narby
Baptists are among the Protestant groups that forced Evolution down the throats of everyone else. In England from the 1870's to the 1950's (if not to the present) Quakers and Puritans pushed Evolution. In the United States the Boston area Puritans and Quakers pushed Evolution. While he was alive, the Unitarian John Dewey promoted the teaching of Evolution thru public education, the American Protective Association, and the National Education Association (historically one of the anti-Catholic hate groups.) Evolution is very much a religious dogma rather than sound science.
I have embarrassed Professors by having more command of their area of expertise than they have. I'll never be afraid of my opponents. I have defeated them thousands of times before and will probably do it thousands of times again. Most of the time it is so unchallenging mentally, I get quite bored.
Don't let it worry you to much. Evolution is rapidly losing favor in the Universities. The evolutionists' nightmare is microbiology. However, always remember the loudest advocates of Evolution typically have the least amount of knowledge about science.
165 posted on 12/07/2004 4:02:03 PM PST by FederalistVet
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To: FederalistVet; snarks_when_bored; Physicist; balrog666; Dimensio; jennyp
Baptists are among the Protestant groups that forced Evolution down the throats of everyone else ..... Evolution is very much a religious dogma rather than sound science.

So Evolution is a religious dogma promoted by churches. Gotcha.

I have embarrassed Professors by having more command of their area of expertise than they have. I'll never be afraid of my opponents. I have defeated them thousands of times before and will probably do it thousands of times again. Most of the time it is so unchallenging mentally, I get quite bored.

So you're a professional Creationist. Anyone who can afford to get into discussions "thousands of times" must be doing this for a living. Or perhaps you're independently wealthy and hang out on multiple college campuses for fun?

In any event, as a professional, you wouldn't have any motivation to acknowledge the "other side" and thus loose your occupation. So I'll take anything you say with a serious grain of salt.

However, always remember the loudest advocates of Evolution typically have the least amount of knowledge about science.

Well, the deacon of the church that taught our retreat class that "there was no conflict between Genesis and Evolution" was a Science Professor at the local University. Pardon if I follow my previous point and take such a statement with that grain of salt.

166 posted on 12/07/2004 7:12:35 PM PST by narby
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To: narby

I too find it amazing the way he can warp his brain to ignore all evidence and just keep shoveling that same old creationist horsesh!t with such abandon.


167 posted on 12/08/2004 6:18:17 AM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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To: narby
'Well, the deacon of the church that taught our retreat class that "there was no conflict between Genesis and Evolution" was a Science Professor at the local University.'
Kind of proves my point doesn't it?

Since I am not a "professional Creationist" as you accuse me of being, your accusation is pointless. Likewise, I'm under no obligation to accept the teaching of your Deacon.

My statement, "Baptists are among the Protestant groups that forced Evolution down the throats of everyone else" is based upon the Historical record and since History is one of my professions, I ought to know.

My statement, "Evolution is very much a religious dogma rather than sound science," is based upon my observations as a Historian, Scientist, Political Scientist/Analyst, and Philosopher.

The biggest problem for Darwinists is that Mendel's Law explains what Darwin saw better than Darwin. Indeed, Darwin puts the cart before the horse because he makes assumptions about a species based upon observation of a subspecies. Mendel was able to create subspecies, but his work also showed the tendency of a subspecies to return to its former state. Essentially, the opposite of Darwin's claim.

I'm not too concerned. Our friends haven't dealt with the A implies B, B implies C, C implies D, D implies E; A therefore E logic I offered them. Logic is another area of expertise. Nor have they dealt with Mendel's Law.
168 posted on 12/09/2004 3:32:04 PM PST by FederalistVet
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