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"firefox is far from bug-free or complete security. don't buy the hype, there's plenty of probs with firefox and they'll be more as more people use it and spyware makers hone in on it. the 'freesource myth' is one big crock of crap built up by script kiddies and 1337 puter nerds. plus the fact it doesn't read half the pages on the net correctly and many common features dont work because of its quirky code rendering (which they falsely claim is 'standards compliant')

firefox blows chunks"

I'm sorry, but that's just not true.

1. No one says it is totally bug free or "complete security." It is simply very low on bugs and if you find one (I have yet to after 4 months of use on 4 machines running 98SE, WinME, XP home and XP Pro) it's not going to crash your machine like IE will.

It is without doubt more secure than IE.

2. Having open source code and encouraging discussion is a good thing for obvious reasons and is not at all limited to geeks, much less is it the domain of script kiddies.

3. No, it isn't a false claim. The only pages that do not render "correctly" are indeed written not in accordance to standards, or they rely on active-x, a Microsoft program that is unnecessary and a major security hole in any machine. To develop pages strictly using IE proprietary code is foolish and as been condemned as lazy and unprofessional for years.

"Half the pages on the internet" - absurd. I've come across 3 pages only that required me to use IE - windows update, Yahoo games (active X), and a very poorly coded, low-hit site I can't even remember.

IE has never crashed my machine. I've been running mine since '97 on up to 12 different machine and never gotten a virus.

you're also wrong about the rendering. I do cgi/perl/php and other serverside coding and I'm not the only designer who thinks firefox is as useless as a box of rocks. Where do you get this crap about what is and what isn't 'lazy'? You obviously don't code for a living. Also, how the hell do you know if pages are rendering correctly or not? Unless you have an ESP plugin you have no way of knowing if firefugs is rendering a page in the way it was intended by the designer. I've been working with HTML, DHTML, SHTML, cgi, php and more for years (since '95) and I know a lot of other programmers. THe concensus is that the firefox hype is a myth and a hoax, mostly helped along by the anti-business/anti-billgates/anti-ms philosophy of a lot of disgruntled script kiddies, dilletantes such as yourself, humbugs etc. It reminds me of the hype surrounding the supposed greatness of Wikipedia- the fact is free source progs have a lot more problems and bugs than the l337s that be on the net would have you believe. You want to live in your little phantasy world go right ahead. I have to do business in the real world hun.