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1 posted on 11/08/2004 7:08:17 PM PST by Mount Athos
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Also helpful is anything that explains that a baby in the womb is a distinct human being, not merely a part of a woman's body. Obviously I'm talking with people that are pretty far gone to the other extreme, but these are persuadables, not activists.


2 posted on 11/08/2004 7:11:36 PM PST by Mount Athos
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What I really need help with specifically is any source documenting that babies in the womb can perceive pain, dream, think, anything.

Anyone who has seen an ultrasound of a three-month old fetus KNOWS that they are children -- not things and certainly not parasites.

They can move about, wiggle their fingers etc ... and they respond to sounds and other stimuli.

SEEING IS BELIEVING AND THE BEST WAY TO PERSUADE ANY PRO-ABORTION TYPE IS TO SHOW THEM HIGH-DEFINITION 4-D ULTRASOUNDS WITH A SOUND TRACK IN THE BACKGROUND.

4 posted on 11/08/2004 7:17:43 PM PST by Smedley ("the sky is falling")
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Try here:

Fetal Development

5 posted on 11/08/2004 7:18:30 PM PST by STARWISE (America has spoken- what part of Bush won AGAIN don't they get? Pray for the troops)
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During an ultrasound, our children would awake and become more active. They feel and hear the vibrations.

Our twins would interact with each other, kicking at each other and reacting.

Even in the womb, they had hiccups.

Often, you could poke my wife's stomach and get the child to kick back.

During a friend's amniocentesis, the baby grabbed the needle.

Babies will turn toward a strong light shined on the mother's stomach. They also will react to sounds.

6 posted on 11/08/2004 7:22:42 PM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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Athos - if you don't mind my calling you 'Athos' - do some homework. It's good for you, it strengthens the mind, and all that stuff. Start here.
7 posted on 11/08/2004 7:24:18 PM PST by xJones
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Here's a fantastic site that I refer to often. It details and refutes all of their arguments - including the one you're asking about.

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_contents.asp


8 posted on 11/08/2004 7:25:19 PM PST by Jaysun (How many votes did that HUGE A$$ Medicare bill buy us?)
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Pain, etc., is irrelevant. A zygote/fetus, etc., is a living human organism. That's all that needs to be shown.


10 posted on 11/08/2004 7:28:30 PM PST by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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I posted in another thread about my recent enlightenment on the issue and the letter I wrote to my Representatives. Please take a look:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1273943/posts


11 posted on 11/08/2004 7:40:56 PM PST by WKL815
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Look at this, the classic 1981 "Silent Scream" by Dr. Nathenson who had been in charge of several New York City abortion mills. Silent Scream has had a tremendous impact continuing to this day..

These aren't 'fetuses', that magically morph into humans the second the whole head leave the birth canal. They're what you and I once were, but they didn't get the chance to live their lives.

12 posted on 11/08/2004 7:45:25 PM PST by xJones
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I always tell pro-abortionists to prove to me it's not human life. They can't. Better to ere on the side of caution and assume it's life at conception than to kill an innocent human. Plus God says he is personally involved in forming us in the womb. Anyway, my two cents.
13 posted on 11/08/2004 8:02:34 PM PST by GoDuke
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I wish I could remember the exact info - perhaps someone here will - but there was a wonderful news clip about a year or so ago of a baby undergoing some open womb surgery reaching out and grabbing hold of the surgeons finger. As I recall, it was quite young - not at all near to term. It being such a familiar reaction of newborns, the video is quite moving.


14 posted on 11/08/2004 8:05:45 PM PST by dougd
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It's been a long time for me, but in the mid 90's the arguments were not if there was pain yet at what point in development. There were recommendations that doctors consider using analgesia and anaesthetics to avoid any chance. One would think that fetal awareness of pain is impossible until the time that sensory connections first penetrate the cortex.
15 posted on 11/08/2004 8:14:57 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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Found a link. It was baby Samuel - a 21 week old fetus: see for example http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/babysamuel.htm
16 posted on 11/08/2004 8:15:04 PM PST by dougd
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From http://www.visembryo.com/baby/stage19.html :

"Stage 19 (approximately 47-48 post ovulatory days) Brain has the first detectable brain waves."


17 posted on 11/08/2004 8:16:15 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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Well, if you've seen the 3-dimensional photos of the "fetus's in the womb, then you know that they've been seen sucking their thumbs before birth!!!
Of course they can feel pain...........You must know the excruciating pain they must feel when those instruments of death come in to suck out their brains!!!
I know it's a graphic picture, but, sometimes we must be graphic......
My God, some of these people care more about Trees than they do about protecting a "life"....and the unborn is a living being!!!!


18 posted on 11/08/2004 8:20:51 PM PST by Mliz
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The Silent Scream
20 posted on 11/08/2004 10:11:42 PM PST by LouAvul
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