[So Cal Rocket]

Now I believe the Bible and the whole Bible and that tends to be where most of my arguments come from, but with this other group, who mostly say they do not believe in God or the Bible or religion of any kind - so any answers in that form are discarded.

Sounds kinda like: "Tell me why 2 + 2 doesn't equal 5, but don't give me any of that mathematics junk; that stuff don't fly with me".

[stompk]

"Sounds kinda like: "Tell me why 2 + 2 doesn't equal 5, but don't give me any of that mathematics junk; that stuff don't fly with me"."

now to ME thats exactly how it sounds. but I "try" to put myself in their place. if nobody had told me about the Lord and the Bible, and I didn't have that and the Holy Spirit as a guide, how would I think ? If all of my teachers told me those arguments were for morons. . . how would I view topics in the world around me ?

I'd like to find SOME way to inform these kind of people and hope to slowly move their thinking. someone there already changed my sig to "newbie bible thumper" so I'm TRYING to reach them on their level :-)

thanks for the help guys !