Posted on 11/04/2004 11:15:57 PM PST by SaltyJoe
Thank you all who post articles from "them" (especially from the DU) who, on the otherside of America, are so very much against Republicans and those who voted for President Bush.
Please recall a speech in which President Bush warned us that there are yet ways in which we don't know where or how those who call us their enemy will attack us. I believe his speech expressed the dire need of his needing the power and tools to go after those against our American way of life.
A responsible citizen cannot read what anti-Bush and anti-Bush voters post and remain unphased as to how dangerous there logic has become or what that sort of mentality will bring about.
Those who are so deeply entrenched into the mindset that would vote for John Kerry and then be in shock that many more Americans didn't want him are probably from the same stock that support abortion, military weakness or absolute UN power over the US, the rampant homosexualization and hyper-sexualization of society (to include our undeveloped youth), and absolute gun control with no legal gun ownership for common law abiding citizens.
Since this crowd generally is stuck behind a union official or is blessed with intelligence for a white collar position, they probably don't have the physical courage to start anarchy (and wouldn't have firearms anyway).
Next attack against Americans will be a subtle sterilization of the "religious right".
Such certainty of seeing Republicans and the religous reverent as "unteachable" leads to deadly logic and behavior not marked for tolerance and acceptance. Yes, 3.5 million was the margin of votes that President Bush won. But there is a huge number that sees those that voted for him, not just Bush, as a threat. It's foolish for them to say "revolution" when most of the pro-Kerry crowd don't even believe in legal gun ownership. Because of the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11, there's little chance that they'll expend the effort to make explosives
Thus, the new threat will come from a medical background. There efforts will be measured in decades and not in presidential election cycles. Consider it a rebirth of "the permanent instruction of the alta vendita" since the anti-religious know that they will not have the numbers to keep their culture of death alive through democracy.
Guard your reproductive rights not as those for abortion, but as people wanting true love and families.
The more you read from the left, their thoughts about pro-life, pro-family, pro-2nd Amendment middle-class working America, the more you can parallel their mind to an anarchist bomber's mentality. It's a mind that will use quiet methods to kill Americans to dwindle our numbers that and boost their vicious and diabolical ways.
I also see the sick and dying as being another victim to such medical assissinations. If a leftists socialist type of medical staff runs his or her agenda in a hospital environment, then our elderly will suffer unnatural deaths.
Are you on crack?
If you read anything on Stalin, Romania, or North Korea, then it's easy to figure out such evil motives. Start with "Aquariums of Pyongyang". It's a very short book written by one who's escaped North Korea and about his experience in a NK gulag.
Are you asleep? How many old seniors are being removed from society because of neglect in hospitals?
Did we ever think that suicidal fanatics would use civilian jetliners? Some theorized it. But many didn't think of it.
No, I'm not on crack. But I do think in a very different vein. And, I'm deadly serious. Some are so filled with hate that they either stop at nothing to defeat an adversary, or they use all of their intellect to undo their enemies.
That's exactly what Michael Moore was saying of those who voted for Bush. It wasn't the "youth vote" that chose Bush.
I don't think that Moore is much of a figure head for the democratic socialist leftist, but the way he gleefully speaks about white people slowly becoming a minority is like Hitler taking pride in the Aryan race.
I didn't have any problems with my vasectomy.
Terry Shaivo.
Jeb Bush has done everything within his power to give that woman a chance for life with PROPER medical care that she has been denied!
The the 6 to 1 Liberal Florida Supreme Court over-ruled Jeb's stay on the order to delay her life - support removal.
Pretty much an execution in my book. I can only hope that all six of them were up for renewal and got trashed, I can't locate any results....there has to be a way to push this up to the US Supreme Court to save her.
I can see where you are coming from.
I'm glad you don't think I'm crazy.
If I posted in the summer of 2001 that terrorists are so desparate, can't get bomb materials like they did in 1993, that they'd highjack a jet liner and fly it into buildings, I doubt that I would get much response.
Hmmmmm... note to self: be sure to dress and act like a liberal when visiting the doctor's office. And when asked, because doctors always ask, tell them I'm a Democrat (don't forget to look depressed so as to be more convincing). ;) "Cow Dung" That's Chinese for, you get the BS Flag for this theory. I'll stick to worrying about terrorists (I think that's who the President was refering to)
Okay, I'll respect that. Will you respect me if I turn out to be right? I promise I won't shove it anyone's face since I'm one who hates to say, "I told you so."
Hey, if you turn out to be right... Good Lord man, I'd recommend you for a Pulitzer Prize or something. And yes, I'd respect you for your foresight. So, perhaps you should flesh out this theory with some methods of how all the liberal MDs would first, agree to sterilize all conservatives who walk into their offices, and second, properly ID the conservatives so they don't sterilize liberals and independents by mistake... third, what medical procedures they would use so they wouldn't get caught and sent to jail. Finally, you have to come up with a "why". Why would so many doctors mame or kill just because their party lost an election? Seems a bit extreme.
I had this hidden on my harddrive somewhere....
this is courtesy of William Campbell Doctor newsletter..
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The long arm of... The doctor?
If you've been a reader of mine — either of the Daily Dose or of
my newsletter — for longer than a fly's life span, you've heard me
raving (some would call it sounding the alarm) about the
increasingly invasive tenor of today's medicine. What do I mean,
exactly? I mean things like doctors prying into our lives and
making judgments and decisions that affect more than simply our
medical picture.
Need an example?
A few years ago, I wrote about the subversive practice of modern
pediatricians asking probing questions of their child patients about
the presence of firearms in the house where they live. The leftist
California state legislature even made such questions about gun
ownership MANDATORY of Golden State pediatricians...
This isn't the only example of this kind of thing, either. The
instance I just learned of that happened in the great state of
Pennsylvania rivals this one in sheer audacity. According to a
recent Associated Press article, a PA man's driver's license was
suspended after he told his doctor he habitually consumed a six-
pack of beer a day. Not that he drove drunk. Not that he drank on
the job. Not that he had a drinking problem. Simply because he
tipped a few brews every night at HIS HOME.
Apparently, the doctor called the cops after treating the man for an
irregular heartbeat because Pennsylvania (read: California east)
law requires doctors to report to the authorities anything they learn
about a patient that could conceivably impair his or her ability to
safely drive. And this meddling M.D. thought the patients nightly
sixer at his house was a threat to everyone on PA's highways.
The article mentions nothing about the patient having any prior
record for alcohol abuse, drug use, or driving under the influence.
Now I'm not advocating six beers a night for everyone (one or
two, definitely), but what I am saying is this: Except in the event of
an outbreak of serious, contagious disease, it isn't up to
DOCTORS to determine what a person's risk to the rest of the
population is — especially if they're going to be such sissies about
it. I mean jeez, six beers between dinner and bedtime isn't enough
to impair a fully-grown man (especially one with a high tolerance
for alcohol) the next day.
And doctors should know that.
AND HERE IT IS!!!!!!
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/sterilize.html
Forces Sterilization of Native Americans, eugenics doesn't only belong to abortion forces.
Against their Will: Forced Sterilization in North Carolina
http://againsttheirwill.journalnow.com/
A history of eugenics in America:
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/un_sterile_past.html
A history of forced sterilizations in California:
http://www.psych-health.com/sterile1.htm
A bibliography of a student writing about forced sterilizations:
http://www.h-net.org/~women/bibs/bibl-forcedster.html
YOUR TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR FORCED STERILIZATION:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2000/mar/00031602.html
And why doesn't Africa2000 talk about it? I think it's because many Africans see big families as big blessings:
http://www.africa2000.com/INDX/peru.html
Was Peru a testbed for forced sterilizations that we may face in the US?
February 15, 1998
NEW YORK TIMES
Using Gifts as Bait,
Peru Sterilizes Women
By CALVIN SIMS
All text appearing on this page
is taken verbatin from the article appearing
in the NY Times of 15 February 1998.
LIMA, Peru -- For Magna Morales and Bernadina Alva, peasant Andean women who could barely afford to feed their families, it was a troubling offer but one they found hard to refuse. Shortly before Christmas, government health workers promised gifts of food and clothing if they underwent a sterilization procedure called tubal ligation.
The operation went well for Mrs. Alva, 26, who received two dresses for her daughter and a T-shirt for her son. But Mrs. Morales, 34, died of complications 10 days after the surgery, leaving three young children and a husband behind. She was never well enough to pick up the promised gifts, and the family was told it could not sue the government over her death, because she had agreed to the procedure.
"When you don't have anything and they offer you clothes and food for your kids, then finally you agree to do it," said Mrs. Alva, a neighbor of Mrs. Morales in the northern village of Tocache. "Magna told them that her husband was against the idea, but they told her, 'Don't worry, we can do it right now, and tonight you will be back home cooking and your husband will never realize what happened."
Tales of poor women like Mrs. Morales and Mrs. Alva being pressed and even forced to submit to sterilization operations that have left at least two women dead and hundreds injured have emerged from small towns and villages across Peru in recent weeks in what women's groups, politicians and church leaders here say is an ambitious government family-planning program run amok.
Critics of the program, which was begun in 1995, charge that state health-care workers, in a hurry to meet government-imposed sterilization quotas that offer promotions and cash incentives, are taking advantage of poor rural women, many of whom are illiterate and speak only indigenous Indian languages.
The critics, who include many of the program's early supporters, say the health workers are not telling poor women about alternative methods of contraception or the fact that tubal ligation is nearly always irreversible. They also charge that many state doctors are performing sloppy operations, at times in unsanitary conditions.
"They always look for the poorest women, especially those who don't understand Spanish," said Gregoria Chuquihuancas, another Tocache resident. "They make them put their fingerprint on a sterilization paper they don't understand because they can't read. If the women refuse, they threaten to cut off the food and milk programs."
While it remains unclear whether such actions were sanctioned by the government or were the work of overzealous health workers -- the government denies there are sterilization quotas, though it acknowledges goals for budgetary purposes -- independent investigations by members of the Peruvian Congress, the Roman Catholic Church, local journalists and a U.S. congressional committee have chronicled dozens of cases of abuse.
"The government's program is morally corrupt because nurses and doctors are under pressure to find women to sterilize, and the women are not allowed to make an informed decision," said Luis Solari, a medical doctor who advises the Peruvian Episcopal Conference, which speaks for the country's Catholic bishops.
"No one has the right to intervene in people's life this way," Solari said. "It's criminal."
From its inception, Catholic church leaders have vigorously opposed the family-planning campaign because it promotes artificial forms of birth control, which the church disavows. Cardinal Augusto Vargas Alzamora of Lima has warned Catholics that they will be committing a "grave sin" if they resort to sterilization.
Tubal ligation is still only the third-most-practiced form of contraception in Peru, after abstinence and the IUD, family-planning officials say. Abortion is illegal.
The government has vehemently rejected charges that it is conducting a campaign to sterilize poor women and says that all its sterilization operations are done with the patient's consent, as required by law.
Health Ministry officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that in the last year the program had suffered from "lapses in judgment" by individual health-care workers and doctors, who had been reprimanded. But the officials said that such cases were isolated incidents that had been blown out of proportion.
Reached on his cellular telephone, Deputy Health Minister Alejandro Aguinaga, who oversees the government's family-planning program, said he did not wish to speak with The New York Times.
Three years ago, when President Alberto Fujimori announced plans to promote birth control as a way to reduce family size and widespread poverty in Peru, family-planning experts, feminists and even many opposition politicians expressed broad support for the initiative. But the mounting criticism of the sterilizations has tarnished the image of the family-planning program, one of the most ambitious in the developing world.
In 1997, state doctors in Peru performed 110,000 sterilizations on women, up from 30,000 in 1996 and 10,000 in 1995. Last year they also performed 10,000 free vasectomies on men, a slight increase over 1996. However, women remain the main focus of the government's program because men are less likely to agree to sterilization, on the mistaken ground that the procedure could impair their virility.
Health Ministry officials estimate that the 1997 sterilizations will result in 26,000 fewer births in 1998. This is good news, they say, in a country where the fertility rate -- the average number of children born per woman -- is 3.5, compared with 3.1 for Latin America in general and 2.0 for the United States.
The rate is 6.2 children for Peruvian women who have little or no education and 7.0 children for those who live in rural areas. That compares with a rate of 1.7 children for women who have at least some college education and 2.8 for urban residents of all educational levels.
Concern over reports of forced sterilization has led to an investigation by the U.S. Congressional Subcommittee on International and Human Rights Operations, which is seeking to determine if money from the U.S. Agency for International Development was used in the Peruvian government's campaign.
Officials in Washington said in a telephone interview that the agency had no role in the Peruvian government's family-planning program. They said that money and training for family-planning services went directly to nongovernmental agencies in Peru that have no connection with the government's program.
The officials said that they had deliberately taken steps to dissociate the agency from the Peruvian government's family-planning program after it became clear that while well-intentioned, it was too hurried and ambitious to avoid the pitfalls that it has now encountered.
Joseph Rees, the subcommittee's chief council, said that after a recent fact-finding mission to Peru he was convinced that no U.S. money was directly used to finance the Peruvian government's campaign.
But he expressed concern that some money may have trickled through in the form of infrastructure, management or training support. Because some U.S.-sponsored food programs are operated from the same Peruvian government medical posts that administer family planning in rural areas, Rees said that it was possible that some of this food could have been used to bribe women to undergo sterilizations.
"The bottom line here is whether the Peruvian government is more interested in doing family planning or population control and whether the United States wants to risk being associated with a program where that notion is so far unclear," Rees said.
Meanwhile, despite the reported abuses, the number of women undergoing sterilizations in Peru has remained steady. Preliminary figures for January indicate that at least 10,000 women underwent free tubal ligations by state doctors.
The opposition Renovacion Party, a conservative group that has always objected to the program, says it has collected more than 1,000 complaints from women who say they were either injured by government sterilization or pressured into agreeing to the operation.
Arturo Salazar, a Renovacion congressman, said the Fujimori government had given no thought to the long-term effect of so many sterilizations, which if left unchecked, he said, would severely diminish Peru's rural population, deprive the nation of security on its frontiers and impede economic development in the countryside.
But those issues are of little concern to Martha Eras, also of Tocache, who is struggling to care for her new baby girl, who was born in August despite the government-sponsored sterilization that Mrs. Eras voluntarily underwent eight months earlier. It appears that the doctor was in such a hurry that he did not check to see if Mrs. Eras was pregnant.
"My husband joked that it was immaculate conception," she said.
SOURCE:
New York Times
February 15, 1998
END
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html
This would have been just a kooky conspiracy website, except that I post the web address to show all the warning signs that Americans had before the Imperial Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.
I also post it because I need something to tell me that I'm not crazy when I sound off about a possible threat.
"Why?"
I don't think there are legitimate answers to such a legitimate questioning of evil.
But, perhaps we can defend ourselves from evil illegal questions. What Khepri has posted of how California and PA doctors are asking intrusive personal and non-medically related questions, I looked up the following:
Frivolous Child Abuse claims (I think this is from Australia):
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/03/1062548904154.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true
Another false child abuse claims:
http://www.liftingtheveil.org/reports2.htm
OK, I'll put this theory into the category of "could happen". As to all the references to forced sterilization... Most seemed to have preyed upon undereducated, metally ill, and/or criminal citizens. That doesn't make it right but it seems most of those victims would not be a threat to liberal power mongers. Educated and informed concervatives (the potential target of this conspiracy) should have little difficulty exposing such a plot in its early stages. Therefore, we should remain vigilant.
Funny, reading all the warning from ambassadors from other countries and comparing it to all the Intel about Saddams WMD, especially the king of Jordan and Mubarak in Egypt! Satellite photos of Russian trucks crossing into Syria, Iraqi limos at two sites in Syria, one an ammo dump if I recall... But hey, we're a bunch of liars...smirk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g8GhnMDo7E
Forced sterilizations, massive funding for abortion’s culture of death bought and paid for by your American tax dollars. I hate those dark feelings and it doesn’t make me feel any better to say, “I told you so.”
Estrogen in the drinking water and why the older generation of men have a legitimate claim in saying the younger infertile lads are bunch of wussies.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=estrogen+in+drinking+water
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=estrogen+in+drinking+water+infertile
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